iOS 6 for iPhone 4s and iPad to include free satnav powered by TomTom

DUTR

mrochester wrote: »

I've given to plenty of chances; most recently the Samsung Galaxy Nexus (great software but physically too big), HTC One X (laggy software and physically too big) and the Sony Xperia P (great hardware but the software was laggy and jerky).

Still waiting for the 'perfect' Android phone that doesn't fall into any of the traps above.



I don't think Apple have been particularly instrumental in the eBook market. I'd be more inclined to credit Amazon with that accolade.

But why, if you already own a device that suits your requirments?

mrochester

What I was saying is that on all the above phones you don't have to stick with the version that came with the phone. I too have experience problems with android, especially if its carrier branded. There are other ROMs available.

If I'm paying good money I expect the product to work the way I want it to out of the box! I'm certainly not going to give manufacturers the nod to crappy products I have to 'fix' myself!!!

But why, if you already own a device that suits your requirments?

It would be nice to have a choice.

DUTR

mrochester wrote: »

If I'm paying good money I expect the product to work the way I want it to out of the box! I'm certainly not going to give manufacturers the nod to crappy products I have to 'fix' myself!!!



It would be nice to have a choice.

With products especially technology the customer is often paying the premium to beta test.

Yes though it is nice to have a choice, although much of this thread is about when folk opt to exercise that choice

daindian

Back to what I asked yesterday which NOBODY answered!! If iPhones just work, why do you have to jailbreak them in order to get free paid apps, and get other features which come to android, with out rooting, eg flash

Cash-Strapped.T32

buscape wrote: »

The speed at which Windows Phone runs with a single core processor proves that hardware (processor, RAM etc) isn't everything, it's more about how efficiently you make the software work with the hardware.

Agreed completely. We all learned that over the last 20 or 30 years, and now with the advent of smartphones it seems the public is having to re-learn it all over again.

Tbh my eyes glaze over when everyone starts arguing over specs, it's a pointless debate - imo the fact you need such expensive hardware is an indictment upon the programmers at Google, Apple, et-al, not a plus point.

Every week phones are coming out with specs that would embarass a top of the line gaming PC or 3D graphics workstation from the previous year, and still people are piddling around with silly wee "apps" and arguing that X-phone still hasn't got this or that function yet..

My god with a computer so powerful I ought to be able to walk into an office, plug a spare monitor into my phone and that *is* my computer - No need for laptops, desktops or anytops unless you need specific high end hardware that hasn't been miniaturised yet (like multiple GPUs, etc..).

Different architectures be dammned, core programming concepts don't change that much; IIRC I've admitted before that I've never done any coding for any mobile OS, so I can't claim special inside knowledge but I can't see from a technical standpoint why modern smartphones are so limited by their OSs, when in years gone by it was always the software that led to new avenues and the actual dirty business of "making the gear" that was the bottleneck.

If a device needs a dual core processor & more ram than my first 5 computers combined just to run a simple OS & display some basic 3d graphics then there's something going wrong.


Not a horrible old git rant, but just a gentle reminder that all sides in this debate haven't really pushed the boat out in terms of "innovation" for a long while now.
I still use my smartphone daily but I see it more now as a proof of concept, to show that a real computer *can* be put in a phone, but it's usefulness as a device is nothing compared to my real actual PC.
This gap shouldn't have to be there imo.

buscape

daindian wrote: »

Back to what I asked yesterday which NOBODY answered!! If iPhones just work, why do you have to jailbreak them in order to get free paid apps, and get other features which come to android, with out rooting, eg flash

iPhones work perfectly for most normal people, hence the sales. Most people don't know what flash is, let alone why they need it on their phones. For the people own iPhones, I suspect it does exactly what they want it to do otherwise they would have a different phone.

mrochester

daindian wrote: »

Back to what I asked yesterday which NOBODY answered!! If iPhones just work, why do you have to jailbreak them in order to get free paid apps, and get other features which come to android, with out rooting, eg flash

Mine works fine without the need to jailbreak. There's nothing I need to jailbreak for as it already does everything I require, and does it well

iPhones work perfectly for most normal people, hence the sales. Most people don't know what flash is, let alone why they need it on their phones. For the people own iPhones, I suspect it does exactly what they want it to do otherwise they would have a different phone.

Exactly!

buscape

Cash-Strapped.T32 wrote: »

If a device needs a dual core processor & more ram than my first 5 computers combined just to run a simple OS & display some basic 3d graphics then there's something going wrong.

That's the major argument against Android for me, multi core processors, powerful GPUs, loads of RAM and it STILL doesn't run completely smoothly? The definition of inefficiency if you ask me.

liubeliu

buscape wrote: »

iPhones work perfectly for most normal people, hence the sales. Most people don't know what flash is, let alone why they need it on their phones. For the people own iPhones, I suspect it does exactly what they want it to do otherwise they would have a different phone.

Apart from the grip of death problem on the iPhone 4. Jobs/Ive overruled the Apple techies and stuck with the design that had a major technical flaw. Apple is about design first and technology has to compromise to achieve their design ideal.

Yes Android might have been ripped off from iOS, but wasn't the original Mac GUI ripped off from Xerox?

baby_frogmella

buscape wrote: »

That's the major argument against Android for me, multi core processors, powerful GPUs, loads of RAM and it STILL doesn't run completely smoothly? The definition of inefficiency if you ask me.

Here’s Why Android’s UI Will Never Be As Smooth As iOS Or Windows Phone 7

Now, the question arises: why is it that even seemingly outdated phones like the iPhone 3GS offer a smoother UI than the latest Android smartphones? iOS uses hardware acceleration and that too on weaker hardware. How does Apple’s engineers manage to pull it off, then? Why can’t Google do the same?

That has been answered by Andrew Munn – software engineering student, ex-intern at Google and future intern with Windows Phone 7 team at Microsoft – who states that UI rendering processes in iOS occur with dedicated threads with real-time priority whereas on Android, UI rendering processes occur along with the main thread with normal priority. Whenever an iOS devices detects touch, it stops other processes and focuses all attention to rendering the UI. Android devices don’t do this, instead general processing and UI rendering occurs concurrently which results in choppy UI.