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mrochester

DUTR wrote: »

I always thought it was Nokia or Ericsson that started the smartphone game for the masses

Nope, it's only since the iPhone that smartphone usage has really taken off. It was quite a niche category prior to that. It's usually the case that it takes Apple to show everyone else how to do things; digital content distribution, MP3 players, smartphones, tablets, ultra-portable laptops etc. Apple went, everyone else followed in all of the above.

23n1th

mrochester wrote: »

I'd say the compete pretty well as the second largest smartphone manufacturer and the one who makes by far the most money. They got there under their own steam and others followed. It's the lack of innovation by other companies that's (sadly) stifling the market.

Really? Wheres you proof? Just because apple says its true doesn't mean anything.

(Just for clarity I'm not suggesting that apple with their original iphone didn't release a game changer)

Apple released something that many customers liked. Other companies, due to customer demand started to produce what their customers demanded. Theres nothing wrong with that, unless you're apple.

The fact of the matter is these things were available before apple did them, what apple did was make them popular/create a demand. And where there is demand companies will follow.

DUTR

mrochester wrote: »

Nope, it's only since the iPhone that smartphone usage has really taken off. It was quite a niche category prior to that. It's usually the case that it takes Apple to show everyone else how to do things; digital content distribution, MP3 players, smartphones, tablets, ultra-portable laptops etc. Apple went, everyone else followed in all of the above.

The iphone was succesful at launch as it combined the music player with a phone, (remember how many used to walk around with their ipods (perhaps missing calls?)) The Palm PDA had a massive follwing back in the day but naturally was not a phone, I believe the concept of app stores etc was pioneered by Nokia (who became a victim of their own success) I remember bluetoothing my Psion PDA to my motorola for emails, but then there was the Nokia communicator and Ericsson P900, credit has allowed the iphone and other top spec handsets to be succesful as people are woo'd with the £40 per month instead of a £500 or £600 outlay in one go.

mrochester

23n1th wrote: »

Really? Wheres you proof? Just because apple says its true doesn't mean anything.

(Just for clarity I'm not suggesting that apple with their original iphone didn't release a game changer)

Apple released something that many customers liked. Other companies, due to customer demand started to produce what their customers demanded. Theres nothing wrong with that, unless you're apple.

The fact of the matter is these things were available before apple did them, what apple did was make them popular/create a demand. And where there is demand companies will follow.

Exactly, it took Apple to reshape all of these markets to make them as successful as they are today. That's innovation. Simply jumping on the bandwagon isn't. I want to see other companies be more like Apple and shape entire new product categories instead of simply following what Apple are doing with their own iterative products. I want to see someone other than Apple come up with the next big thing. The question is, what's stopping these companies from doing so? Do they lack the corporate culture to make these significant changes? Do they lack the ability? What's their deficiency that's stopping them from shaping international markets the way that Apple does? Is it the case that there can only be one leader? These are rEally interesting questions and I'm sure there must be loads of studies into this.

mrochester

23n1th wrote: »

No No NO! Its good advertising, good marketing, and having at your disposal what basically equates to a cult of fanatics.

Innovation is making something new.

I've never gotten this myth that other companies are riding on the coattails of apple. Its complete BS! If it wasn't for the innovation of the companies apple are suing over rounded corners and rectangles apple couldn't have made a phone in the first place.

Innovation isn't making something new. You can innovate by taking existing ideas and making them better. This is what Apple are exceptionally good at.

This should help you to understand what innovation is. It sounds like you're confusing it with invention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovation

23n1th

mrochester wrote: »

Innovation isn't making something new. You can innovate by taking existing ideas and making them better. This is what Apple are exceptionally good at.

This should help you to understand what innovation is. It sounds like you're confusing it with invention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovation

Then by your very definition apple are trying to stifle innovation.

Samsung and the like have taken something (iphone) and made it better. Apple don't like this and are trying to get them banned.

Which neatly brings us back to my original point; apple can't compete in the fast paced mobile market.

Its the 1980s all over again except instead of apple microsoft its apple google.

DUTR

mrochester wrote: »

Innovation isn't making something new. You can innovate by taking existing ideas and making them better. This is what Apple are exceptionally good at.

This should help you to understand what innovation is. It sounds like you're confusing it with invention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovation

I agree about innovation, I don't think in line with the original post, having online navigation is innovative
Although it maybe for Apple users, I know on handsets for example you can press a button and say "navigate to ???" and it will return a list of possible destinations to ensure the correct one is chosen , then open the navigator app and perform it's functionality.

mrochester

23n1th wrote: »

Then by your very definition apple are trying to stifle innovation.

Samsung and the like have taken something (iphone) and made it better. Apple don't like this and are trying to get them banned.

Which neatly brings us back to my original point; apple can't compete in the fast paced mobile market.

Its the 1980s all over again except instead of apple microsoft its apple google.

Samsung's smartphones products are just iterative versions on the iPhone theme, not brand new product categories in their own right. I don't think you're looking at this from a high enough level.

23n1th

mrochester wrote: »

Samsung's smartphones products are just iterative versions on the iPhone theme, not brand new product categories in their own right. I don't think you're looking at this from a high enough level.

I don't think you're looking at this from outside apples reality distortion field.

Apple bring something to market years ago that effectively changes the game for the smartphone market (ie making smartphones popular for people other than in business). A product based on others innovations and inventions.

Others seeing the demand for this type of product create there own, due to customer demand (which I might add you have user to justify extortionate iphone prices).

They create their own and eventually move passed apple breaking new ground. Apple dont like this.

Its safe to say whats happening here is its one rule for apple and one rule for everyone else.

I'll finish off with a quote: "we have always been shameless in stealing good ideas". I wonder who said that???

grumbler

23n1th wrote: »

Apple dont like this.

No company does.

Its safe to say whats happening here is its one rule for apple and one rule for everyone else.

It's purely commercial decisions that have nothing to do with being innovative and liking/disliking innovations. All companies do this if they if they have some grounds and if this is commercially viable.

I'll finish off with a quote: "we have always been shameless in stealing good ideas". I wonder who said that???

Well, at least he had guts to admit this openly. Other companies do this too, but secretly.