Cesar Millan Dog Whisperer

Raksha

Err hello - the programme is editted - that means any bits which might show what the general public might perceive as abuse. When you understand dog body language you can easily see the 'shut down' expression on the dogs faces. We're not talking 'petrified' abuse here, we're talking subtle (and not so subtle) mind games.

ixwood

So, they're being "subtly" violently abused then? I'm not convinced.

I think the CM is cruel argument was over when people accused him of kicking dogs. I'm not so stupid that I can't see the (lack of) force used. To suggest he's seriously kicking them is laughable. It really is a touch.

ohwell

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

You can believe that if you like - but, from my experience and knowledge of physical restrictions and interventions, that dog is being starved of oxygen through CM applying pressure on the neck with a hand, and having a ligature tightened around the dogs neck.

Of course it is unable to get up immediately after the ligature is loosened and the pressure removed. I am not making value judgements here, just explaining what I observe.

If you think it is a safe thing to do I would have to queston your understanding of the causes and outcomes of ashphyxia.

I think this is the only thing you have seen of CM. If you would take the time to watch a selection of episodes you will see that he doesn't always hold the dog down in this way, Emily, the dog that was on the clip, was in the red zone, she wanted to attack big time. He had to use strength to keep her down so she can start to relax. Other dogs on other episodes are not as bad and once he has got them on their side they will stay there with out him holding them.

So can all of you who are "observing" 3 minute clips, please look at the full picture, listen to what he says and watch the program in full and more than one. there are so many times where he doesn't need to use all of his experience and can solve problem dogs by training the owners. By the way, I think you will find that his success rate is 100%, bet you cannot say that for all trainers.

LittleTinker

ohwell wrote: »

I think this is the only thing you have seen of CM. If you would take the time to watch a selection of episodes you will see that he doesn't always hold the dog down in this way, Emily, the dog that was on the clip, was in the red zone, she wanted to attack big time. He had to use strength to keep her down so she can start to relax. Other dogs on other episodes are not as bad and once he has got them on their side they will stay there with out him holding them.

So can all of you who are "observing" 3 minute clips, please look at the full picture, listen to what he says and watch the program in full and more than one. there are so many times where he doesn't need to use all of his experience and can solve problem dogs by training the owners. By the way, I think you will find that his success rate is 100%, bet you cannot say that for all trainers.

Well said. Ive never seen him use any cruel techniques at all....and as you say, he has such a brilliant success rate...if he were cruel then surly he wouldnt get recommendations?

foreign_correspondent

What does this mean, in 'the red zone'? - is this CM speak? Um, to me, she didnt necessarily look like "she wanted to attack big time" - she looked eager, alert and inquisitive... however, CM claiming that aggression is her sole aim then allows him to justify using these tactics I suppose.

you will see that he doesn't always hold the dog down in this way

Doesnt matter, in my opinion, he should never hold a dog down that way. There is a real risk of serious injury or death.

I totally fail to believe his sucess rate is 100% - please evidence this statement.

LittleTinker

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

What does this mean, in 'the red zone'? - is this CM speak? Um, to me, she didnt necessarily look like "she wanted to attack big time" - she looked eager, alert and inquisitive... however, CM claiming that aggression is her sole aim then allows him to justify using these tactics I suppose.



Doesnt matter, in my opinion, he should never hold a dog down that way. There is a real risk of serious injury or death.

I totally fail to believe his sucess rate is 100% - please evidence this statement.

Just goes to show that you know nothing about him, his methods, his reputation and he working team other than what you have seen on a short clip.

As the other poster pointed out.....it may be a good idea if you were to watch a broad spectrum of programs and perhaps read some literature and then you can comment with knowledge.

foreign_correspondent

LittleTinker wrote: »

Just goes to show that you know nothing about him, his methods, his reputation and he working team other than what you have seen on a short clip.

As the other poster pointed out.....it may be a good idea if you were to watch a broad spectrum of programs and perhaps read some literature and then you can comment with knowledge.

I do appreciate your comments, you are sooo right, I shall go and watch CM and will have a go at strangling the dog later to see what happens. I am sure after I have strangled her for a bit she will be wonderful!

Watch this space!!!

LittleTinker

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

I do appreciate your comments, you are sooo right, I shall go and watch CM and will have a go at strangling the dog later to see what happens. I am sure after I have strangled her for a bit she will be wonderful!

Watch this space!!!

Arent you being a bit silly now? And even a tad condesending?

Why would you want to strangle your dog?

UKTigerlily

points to the word sarcasm in the dictionary for LT

LittleTinker

UKTigerlily wrote: »

points to the word sarcasm in the dictionary for LT

Yes...I see the word sarcasm in the dictionary....how is this useful to me or the discussion?