Here I go again ….

Rosie1001

From bright app 

Scot_39

Rosie1001 said:

Just heard the meter click over again today at 5.09 pm 

Can  it click and not actually do anything???

Or do I need to check the meter timings tomorrow, I’m supposed to be on E7 now 

*******

from octopus 

Additionally, during British Summer Time off peak timings are 1:30-8:30am.

………

And I heard the meter click early Saturday morning at 1.39 am so thought it was all ok 

Last two days off the app , heating has been on low on those days 

I really am not sure about this anymore.

AFAIK the only thing that should be clicking over to make that noise is the ALCS (L symbol) contactor, I dont think its got any other - like little 2A ALCS contactors like my meter or others have as well - and you'd notice if the M (Main contactor) switched - you'd have been cut off.

I don't suppose you noted the state of the little L symbol across the change.

Before you essentially had 3 time windows set.  For rates and for ALCS - iirc 00 midnight - 05am , 1-4pm and 8-10pm iirc as matched mine iirc (all GMT nominal - excl BST +1 hr clock time and your 9 min preset offset) - so 0109-0609 2:09-5:09pm and 9:09-11:09pm actual clock set.

And if that was true - it certainly appears that Octopus have changed the first timing - to match the 00:30 - 07:30 GMT + 9 min meter + 1hr BST offset in summer (their BST 01:30 to 0830 change) from your 1:39am "click" observation.

But what have they done with the other 2 - if you still hearing a switch at 509pm ?

Have you heard anything at the old third time window - or at the old 209 pm start ?

Is it even possibly that Octopus have sent one set of times - but that somehow hasn't cleared the others ?

Perhaps a real meter / SEC / DCC messaging expert can rubbish that that could happen ?

[The meter specs for ALCS calander actually appear to offer really complex configuration options - all sorts of day or day groups in the smets 1 spec and the description of the info for it in the SEC (DCC) parameterisation for smets2 in 2020 sounds possibly different / possibly just need to see the actual message structures  expressed. 

I'll include the links of the old smets1 2013 and the new SEC for any meter experts out there - I'd ignore them personally Rosie1001

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7ce2b2e5274a2c9a484b65/smets.pdf

https://smartenergycodecompany.co.uk/documents/sec-subsidiary-documents/sec-schedule-9-smart-metering-equipment-technical-specifications-2-29-nov-2020/

]

 

It's difficult to see any big use kicking in at 2pm on one of the charts - but their is clear spiking on the yesterday chart (the old 1-4pm - so 2-5 pm DST/BST) - but I think thats c0.25-0.28 £ - as matches the bright £0:57p - so IF that was due to the NSH potentially the heaters simply had enough heat retained from pervious day not to take any significant charge)

So that then needs us to look at power from those prices - but the c28p would be approx 28/31 kWh of energy at day rate - 0.9 kWh - in a half hour - so if constant load - more like a 1.8kW device - so too low for a 3.4 kWh NSH - let alone 2 - if drawing power continuously for that 1.5 -2 hrs.

So maybe more likely say you cooking Sat lunch or running a washer / dryer or some such - or a combination of both.

[Now if tariff timing table was wrong - as potentially the timing one is - for the second slot - at night rate 28/13.4 - 2.08 kWh in a half hour - and so equivalent of 4.2kW power draw - so one single heater plus normal demand.

So can do a one divided by the other to check the rates - although they looked fine on the other charts earlier.

What were the kWh uses in those half hour slots - as looks as if you can select a kWh / £ slider.

So can we perhaps have the kWh versions for those days as well as the £s.

PS It appears those costs might be ex VAT based on the white selection info costings - and include 1/48th of the SC - so need to redo those energy guesstimates / device powers a little.   Take 28p - you need to subtract 1.2p - to 26.8p for energy / 29.5p ex VAT rate = same c0.9kWh - so swings and roundabouts at that level.

Swipe

Try putting a heater on high input for 15 mins before it clicks ON in the afternoon to see if it starts drawing a high load on the IHD display. If so, then they still haven't fixed the ALCS calendar. I'm really not sure why it's so hard for the staff at these suppliers to understand the very basics of Economy 7 smart meters and ALCS.

If you are still hearing the clicks when there shouldn't be any, then I'd hazard a guess that they have just palmed you off, EDF style. If it were me, I'd raise a complaint asking for your ALCS calendar to be double checked to make sure it matches the tariff schedule by the smart meter team if they have one.

Scot_39

It would if anything be switching off at 5:09pm if still remains partly e10 of course.

Swipe

Scot_39 said:

It would if anything be switching off at 5:09pm if still remains partly e10 of course.

Oh sorry, my mistake. Change 5:09pm to the time it clicks ON in that case. I'm not familiar with the afternoon on-off times. I've edited my post to reflect that.

Rosie1001

Im in all day tomorrow, will check the times of my old e10 for clicks 

never heard today as I was out until around 4 pm so only heard the 5.09 one 

will see if it clicks tonight for the later evening off peak , that should be 9.09 pm if it’s going to happen 

I dud have my washer dryer on yesterday afternoon 

heating is off now as of this morning 

Rosie1001

They redone the Acls on Friday and said it would update at midnight  which it did , that how it’s showing off peak on graph 

Rosie1001

From their mobile website , slightly different to app 

Rosie1001

Got this as well although I have no idea how to fathom it 

Rosie1001

Scot_39 said:

Rosie1001 said:

Just heard the meter click over again today at 5.09 pm 

Can  it click and not actually do anything???

Or do I need to check the meter timings tomorrow, I’m supposed to be on E7 now 

*******

from octopus 

Additionally, during British Summer Time off peak timings are 1:30-8:30am.

………

And I heard the meter click early Saturday morning at 1.39 am so thought it was all ok 

Last two days off the app , heating has been on low on those days 

I really am not sure about this anymore.

AFAIK the only thing that should be clicking over to make that noise is the ALCS (L symbol) contactor, I dont think its got any other - like little 2A ALCS contactors like my meter or others have as well - and you'd notice if the M (Main contactor) switched - you'd have been cut off.

I don't suppose you noted the state of the little L symbol across the change.

Before you essentially had 3 time windows set.  For rates and for ALCS - iirc 00 midnight - 05am , 1-4pm and 8-10pm iirc as matched mine iirc (all GMT nominal - excl BST +1 hr clock time and your 9 min preset offset) - so 0109-0609 2:09-5:09pm and 9:09-11:09pm actual clock set.

And if that was true - it certainly appears that Octopus have changed the first timing - to match the 00:30 - 07:30 GMT + 9 min meter + 1hr BST offset in summer (their BST 01:30 to 0830 change) from your 1:39am "click" observation.

But what have they done with the other 2 - if you still hearing a switch at 509pm ?

Have you heard anything at the old third time window - or at the old 209 pm start ?

Is it even possibly that Octopus have sent one set of times - but that somehow hasn't cleared the others ?

Perhaps a real meter / SEC / DCC messaging expert can rubbish that that could happen ?

[The meter specs for ALCS calander actually appear to offer really complex configuration options - all sorts of day or day groups in the smets 1 spec and the description of the info for it in the SEC (DCC) parameterisation for smets2 in 2020 sounds possibly different / possibly just need to see the actual message structures  expressed. 

I'll include the links of the old smets1 2013 and the new SEC for any meter experts out there - I'd ignore them personally Rosie1001

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7ce2b2e5274a2c9a484b65/smets.pdf

https://smartenergycodecompany.co.uk/documents/sec-subsidiary-documents/sec-schedule-9-smart-metering-equipment-technical-specifications-2-29-nov-2020/

]

 

It's difficult to see any big use kicking in at 2pm on one of the charts - but their is clear spiking on the yesterday chart (the old 1-4pm - so 2-5 pm DST/BST) - but I think thats c0.25-0.28 £ - as matches the bright £0:57p - so IF that was due to the NSH potentially the heaters simply had enough heat retained from pervious day not to take any significant charge)

So that then needs us to look at power from those prices - but the c28p would be approx 28/31 kWh of energy at day rate - 0.9 kWh - in a half hour - so if constant load - more like a 1.8kW device - so too low for a 3.4 kWh NSH - let alone 2 - if drawing power continuously for that 1.5 -2 hrs.

So maybe more likely say you cooking Sat lunch or running a washer / dryer or some such - or a combination of both.

[Now if tariff timing table was wrong - as potentially the timing one is - for the second slot - at night rate 28/13.4 - 2.08 kWh in a half hour - and so equivalent of 4.2kW power draw - so one single heater plus normal demand.

So can do a one divided by the other to check the rates - although they looked fine on the other charts earlier.

What were the kWh uses in those half hour slots - as looks as if you can select a kWh / £ slider.

So can we perhaps have the kWh versions for those days as well as the £s.

PS It appears those costs might be ex VAT based on the white selection info costings - and include 1/48th of the SC - so need to redo those energy guesstimates / device powers a little.   Take 28p - you need to subtract 1.2p - to 26.8p for energy / 29.5p ex VAT rate = same c0.9kWh - so swings and roundabouts at that level.

kWh graph