Notice for intended prosecution for "speeding" at 29mph

eskbanker

TooManyPoints said:

Then that appears to be game, set & match unfortunately.

Presumably after reaching 30 and then 40 first?

MX5huggy

eskbanker said:

TooManyPoints said:

Then that appears to be game, set & match unfortunately.

Presumably after reaching 30 and then 40 first?

Luckily the Welsh Government weren’t tennis fans else we would be doing 15 everywhere. 

LightFlare

Hey - no backhanded comments 

TooManyPoints

"Presumably after reaching 30 and then 40 first?"

No, after passing those "20" signs from from whatever else the limit was.

Nijinsky

I've just travelled down that road and there are several 30 signs until reaching that 20 sign, but then there is also a 30 sign painted on the road.

Surely, the 20 sign is just to warn motorists to slow down to the roundabout, similar to a 20 sign being placed outside a school on a 30mph road?

The 30 sign painted on the road suggests to me the road continues at 30mph after the brief 20mph section for the roundabout?

It's totally confusing and the lack of clarity needs to be addressed for all of us.

TooManyPoints

"Surely, the 20 sign is just to warn motorists to slow down to the roundabout, similar to a 20 sign being placed outside a school on a 30mph road"

No they are not. From the picture posted by MX5huggy yesterday, they look like perfectly compliant "terminal" signs and drivers should assume that 20mph is the prevailing limit until they see a sign to the contrary.

Signs in red circles tell drivers they must or must not do something. Signs in red triangles give warnings.

You might be able to persuade a court that the road markings confused you to such a degree that you did not know what the limit was. But I would suspect that the view will be that you should have erred on the safe side and complied with the lower limit. To be honest, those signs seem so prominent I cannot see a court accepting that the limit was not "adequately conveyed".

born_again

Nijinsky said:

I've just travelled down that road and there are several 30 signs until reaching that 20 sign, but then there is also a 30 sign painted on the road.

Surely, the 20 sign is just to warn motorists to slow down to the roundabout, similar to a 20 sign being placed outside a school on a 30mph road?

The 30 sign painted on the road suggests to me the road continues at 30mph after the brief 20mph section for the roundabout?

It's totally confusing and the lack of clarity needs to be addressed for all of us.

Can you take a picture that shows the 30 on the road, with the 20 if poss?

Mildly_Miffed

Nijinsky said:

I've just travelled down that road and there are several 30 signs until reaching that 20 sign, but then there is also a 30 sign painted on the road.

Surely, the 20 sign is just to warn motorists to slow down to the roundabout, similar to a 20 sign being placed outside a school on a 30mph road?

The 30 sign painted on the road suggests to me the road continues at 30mph after the brief 20mph section for the roundabout?

It's totally confusing and the lack of clarity needs to be addressed for all of us.

This really is starting to sound as if you're trying to make some kind of political point out of this, rather than genuinely trying to understand if and how you might have misinterpreted perfectly clear signage...

Nijinsky said:

Unfortunately, I live in Wales and have recently fallen victim to the ridiculous 20mph speed limit change.

The situation is simple.

Take the course or fixed penalty, or go to court.
If you want to try to make a political stand, then court is the place to do it.
You won't win, and it will cost you a lot more, but you might get a headline out of it, but probably only on page 2 of the local paper if it's a quiet week.

...or stand for the Senedd.
https://senedd.wales/work-opportunities/becoming-a-member-of-the-senedd/

...or move to the other side of the border.

sheramber

Nijinsky said:

I've just travelled down that road and there are several 30 signs until reaching that 20 sign, but then there is also a 30 sign painted on the road.

Surely, the 20 sign is just to warn motorists to slow down to the roundabout, similar to a 20 sign being placed outside a school on a 30mph road?

The 30 sign painted on the road suggests to me the road continues at 30mph after the brief 20mph section for the roundabout?

It's totally confusing and the lack of clarity needs to be addressed for all of us.

similar to a 20 sign being placed outside a school on a 30mph road?

The 20 limit outside our local school had a 30 sign where the 20 limit ended.

robatwork

eskbanker said:

TooManyPoints said:

Then that appears to be game, set & match unfortunately.

Presumably after reaching 30 and then 40 first?

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