Notice for intended prosecution for "speeding" at 29mph

Mildly_Miffed

facade said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

badmemory said:

It all sounds like a good reason not to go near Wales.  With no signage it is much too easy to forget, which I assume is the reason for no signage.

You manage to cope with exactly the same signage elsewhere in the country, I presume?

Presumably a lifetime of "streetlights = 30" plus momentarily forgetting that you are in a different country with different speed limits catches a lot of English people out.

Just as well there's a 20 sign at the start to tell you.

But, as has been pointed out, plenty of non-repeatered 20 zones in the rest of the country now.

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Mildly_Miffed said:

facade said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

badmemory said:

It all sounds like a good reason not to go near Wales.  With no signage it is much too easy to forget, which I assume is the reason for no signage.

You manage to cope with exactly the same signage elsewhere in the country, I presume?

Presumably a lifetime of "streetlights = 30" plus momentarily forgetting that you are in a different country with different speed limits catches a lot of English people out.

Just as well there's a 20 sign at the start to tell you.

But, as has been pointed out, plenty of non-repeatered 20 zones in the rest of the country now.

A non-repeatered 20mph zone has to have traffic calming measures, which are supposed to make them self-enforcing, I suppose they take the place of repeaters.

So if your car is lurching up and down even more than usual there is a fair chance it is a 20 zone.

A 20mph limit requires repeaters as the road is just the usual pot-holed rutted cart track.

TooManyPoints

But, as has been pointed out, plenty of non-repeatered 20 zones in the rest of the country now.

Yes but they are 20mph zones. They are not the same as roads subject to a 20mph limit.

Zones do not require repeaters but instead rely on traffic calming measures such as speed humps, cushions, "gateways" or width restrictions to remind drivers of the limit. Roads subject to a 20mph limit (outside Wales) require repeaters to perform that task.

Nijinsky

Thanks for everyone's responses, especially to the majority who have tried to advise and help me.

To those who are saying I haven't been observant and missed signs, I've confirmed there is an average speed check sign as you enter the road, but there is not one single speed limit sign saying the road has now changed to 20mph.

There is a total lack of clarity in Wales. The 20mph limit is enforced on some roads with street lights, but not all roads with street lights. It's total confusion with people driving 20mph in 30mph zones, 30mph in 20mph zones and even 20mph on 60mph roads.

I will fill in the form and wait for the police to contact me.

ididgetwhereiamtoday

Every camera be it fixed speed or average speed should have the limit next to the camera to make it a fair system. 

But life isn’t fair and they want to make money out of you so that won’t happen. 

ididgetwhereiamtoday

Even the google maps and Apple Maps can’t keep up with the correct speed limits as they are often contradicted. 

Goudy

Nijinsky said:

Thanks for everyone's responses, especially to the majority who have tried to advise and help me.

To those who are saying I haven't been observant and missed signs, I've confirmed there is an average speed check sign as you enter the road, but there is not one single speed limit sign saying the road has now changed to 20mph.

There is a total lack of clarity in Wales. The 20mph limit is enforced on some roads with street lights, but not all roads with street lights. It's total confusion with people driving 20mph in 30mph zones, 30mph in 20mph zones and even 20mph on 60mph roads.

I will fill in the form and wait for the police to contact me.

It's because of blanket limits.

No signs but street lighting and it's a blanket 20 mph in Wales.
You don't/shouldn't need repeatedly reminding that's what it is, so repeaters aren't needed.

No signs but street lighting and it's a blanket 30 mph in England.
You don't/shouldn't need repeatedly reminding that's what it is, so repeaters aren't needed.

It's along the same concept as the national speed limit sign. It's just a white circle with a black diagonal stripe, they don't actually tell you what the limit is on the sign, you should know what it means to you at that time.
60 mph for a single carriageway. (50 mph for certain vehicles like trucks, large vans and towing vehicles)
70 mph for a motorway or dual carriageway. (60 mph for certain vehicles like trucks, large vans and towing vehicles.
If this changes for any reason, they put up signs and repeaters.
There are parts of the motorway that aren't 70 mph but 60 or 50. You'll find these stretches have a sign and repeaters.


There could of course be street lighting and signs contrary to the blanket limit in either country like above.
Then the limit is what the sign states. 
As it's different to the blanket limits they put up signs as you now need to know it's not one speed limit but another, so you usually find repeaters when it's like this to remind you it's no longer under the blanket limit.

If there's no signs, it's nailed on it's 20 mph in Wales and 30 mph in England.

What this means is there are set rules you SHOULD know.
And at times there are exceptions to those rules, which they will TELL you.

Mildly_Miffed

Nijinsky said:

To those who are saying I haven't been observant and missed signs, I've confirmed there is an average speed check sign as you enter the road, but there is not one single speed limit sign saying the road has now changed to 20mph.

Then you must have turned off a road that was also 20 limit, so there is no change.

There is a total lack of clarity in Wales. The 20mph limit is enforced on some roads with street lights, but not all roads with street lights.

In Wales, all 30s need repeaters, because they're not the default urban limit.

The same easy ruies apply across the whole UK:
Default limit - no repeaters
All other limits - repeaters needed
No repeaters or streetlights? Default extra-urban limit. 60 single carriageway, 70 dual.
No repeaters, but streetlights? Default urban limit. 20 Wales, 30 elsewhere in UK.

This is driving lesson stuff.

badmemory

Mildly_Miffed said:

badmemory said:

It all sounds like a good reason not to go near Wales.  With no signage it is much too easy to forget, which I assume is the reason for no signage.

You manage to cope with exactly the same signage elsewhere in the country, I presume?

20mph are all signed round here.  No it may say 30 but it really means 20.

Car_54

Mildly_Miffed said:

Nijinsky said:

To those who are saying I haven't been observant and missed signs, I've confirmed there is an average speed check sign as you enter the road, but there is not one single speed limit sign saying the road has now changed to 20mph.

Then you must have turned off a road that was also 20 limit, so there is no change.

There is a total lack of clarity in Wales. The 20mph limit is enforced on some roads with street lights, but not all roads with street lights.

In Wales, all 30s need repeaters, because they're not the default urban limit.

The same easy ruies apply across the whole UK:
Default limit - no repeaters
All other limits - repeaters needed
No repeaters or streetlights? Default extra-urban limit. 60 single carriageway, 70 dual.
No repeaters, but streetlights? Default urban limit. 20 Wales, 30 elsewhere in UK.

This is driving lesson stuff.

That is true.

Additionally, I'd have thought the introduction of the blanket 20 limit in Wales - and the attendant controversy - had been all across the media for months, and no-one could have been unaware.

However, I do understand that there are people who never read the papers, listen to the radio, or watch the TV news. If they get news at all, it's from "social media".  Maybe the OP is one of those?

Anyway, I understand that the Welsh government have recognised the error of their ways, and councils will be allowed to revert to 30 on a case-by-case basis. Confused? - You will be.