Employer forcing into office

GeordieGeorge

justworriedabit said:

sheramber said:

My DIL has been off work for 1 year with anxiety.  She  readily admits she knows it is irrational. But is no less real.

wannabe_a_saver. Severe anxiety is, thankfully, very treatable.  

My DIL and her GP  and her counsellor  would be very grateful if you would share this treatment.

Anyone reading this, it is never easy to take on your employer and their little gangs but if you don't it will only get worse.

This hit’s another call-back to the ‘70s. People shouldn’t “take on” their employers, employment is a two-way street which benefits both parties. Most employers and employees know this and have a positive relationship. Those who view it as a battle tend to end up on a low wage, and to have to frequently move jobs.

phillw

wannabe_a_saver said:
The UK resuscitation council changed the guidelines so that 'mouth to mouth' or putting your face close to the person's mouth or nose is no longer recommended. 

My friend originally refused to do the mouth to mouth, but was told he would fail unless he did it.

It's easy on a forum to say "but that shouldn't happen" but it does happen.

phillw

JamoLew said:
We currently have 20+ students in our department undergoing hands-on training

Very descriptive.

phillw

unforeseen said:
There are any number of courses, even for office workers, that require some sort of practical or collaborative actions.

E.G. Fire training. Every course I have done includes being able to demonstrate that you can safely activate and use a FAFA. 

Well sure if you're undergoing training putting out fires in the office then you would need to handle the equipment, but if you're not in the office then not being able to use the equipment is not an issue.

Collaborative actions seems like you'd need to get close to people and not be covid safe.

A lot of people are still of the opinion "stop whining and get on with it, you won't die". The manager of my old gym was like that, he lifted a lot of the restrictions against head office recommendations just before lock down last year. We'd just bumped up a tier when he told people they could do whatever they liked in the pool, because gyms were safe.

So it's kinda hard to tell just how covid safe places are just when people say not to worry about it. Without going into really minute detail it's impossible to tell whether the employer has done proper risk assessments or not.

In my experience it's the people who get defensive when you ask about covid safety and express doubt, that are the ones that haven't done any real risk assessement or covid safety and the doubt is founded.

If the employer has done a bad job of explaining to an employee what they have done and is not sympathetic then you need someone either from citizens advice or ucas to help figure out a way through.

Just bullying employees to do something that is going to cause anxiety is not appropriate.

phillw

GeordieGeorge said:
Those who view it as a battle tend to end up on a low wage, and to have to frequently move jobs.

You're assuming that it's the employee that views it as a battle..

JamoLew

phillw said:

JamoLew said:
We currently have 20+ students in our department undergoing hands-on training

Very descriptive.

You're welcome - or do you want to know the exact training they are undertaking as it was you who said:

"I'd like to know what training can be done face to face that would actually meet covid safe guidelines for the work place, which couldn't be performed easier on zoom"

If you want me to expand - clinical learning skills as part of a medical degree

So now you know what kind of training can be done face to face that meets Covid safe guidelines and can't be done easier (or at all) on zoom

gettingtheresometime

Yes I can imagine being told for a year that if you went out side you'd run a risk of catching a deadly virus and now you're expected to go outside & act as everything is ok is a daunting prospect 

But we're not where we were last year - we have vaccines, we have treatment & we don't have a situation where if you did need medical treatment, there was a possibility the equipment wasn't available.

personally I'd go...if anything it gives you a chance to gain the confidence to go out & mix safely. 

lisyloo

phillw said:

wannabe_a_saver said:
The UK resuscitation council changed the guidelines so that 'mouth to mouth' or putting your face close to the person's mouth or nose is no longer recommended. 

My friend originally refused to do the mouth to mouth, but was told he would fail unless he did it.

It's easy on a forum to say "but that shouldn't happen" but it does happen.

I’m sure it did happen, but I’m not clear on why the resuscitation dummy wasn’t thoroughly sanitised.

jackieblack

lisyloo said:

phillw said:

wannabe_a_saver said:
The UK resuscitation council changed the guidelines so that 'mouth to mouth' or putting your face close to the person's mouth or nose is no longer recommended. 

My friend originally refused to do the mouth to mouth, but was told he would fail unless he did it.

It's easy on a forum to say "but that shouldn't happen" but it does happen.

I’m sure it did happen, but I’m not clear on why the resuscitation dummy wasn’t thoroughly sanitised.

Indeed
Sanitising between participants has always happened on every first aid course I’ve ever been on in the last 20 years 🤷🏻‍♀️

unforeseen

phillw said:

unforeseen said:
There are any number of courses, even for office workers, that require some sort of practical or collaborative actions.

E.G. Fire training. Every course I have done includes being able to demonstrate that you can safely activate and use a FAFA. 

Well sure if you're undergoing training putting out fires in the office then you would need to handle the equipment, but if you're not in the office then not being able to use the equipment is not an issue.

Since there is probably a plan to bring people back to the office then there is a requirement to ensure that they have the requisite training to do so and in a lot of companies that includes the training I mentioned.