Employer forcing into office

GeordieGeorge

phillw said:

GeordieGeorge said:
Those who view it as a battle tend to end up on a low wage, and to have to frequently move jobs.

You're assuming that it's the employee that views it as a battle..

No, it’s not an assumption. We all know people who view it exactly that way.

JamoLew

OP isn't coming back anyway to clarify and add info

jimi_man

phillw said:

unforeseen said:
There are any number of courses, even for office workers, that require some sort of practical or collaborative actions.

E.G. Fire training. Every course I have done includes being able to demonstrate that you can safely activate and use a FAFA. 

Well sure if you're undergoing training putting out fires in the office then you would need to handle the equipment, but if you're not in the office then not being able to use the equipment is not an issue.

Yes it is an issue, these things are perishable skills. If they are not practised regularly then people's skills deteriorate.

I can't think of much training that would be better (or even possible) virtually - no doubt there is some. I imagine a lot depends on what profession the person is though.

In reference to the OP, the legal aspect has been covered to the nth degree in this thread. It's a reasonable request from the employer - assuming the workplace has undergone the relevant RAs. If the OP doesn't want to comply then they can try and seek a meaningful resolution with the employer, but the employer has every right to expect attendance.

Ultimately, if this was two years ago and the OP said that they were scared of attending the office due to the chances of contracting an illness, then I imagine most people would dismiss it. We are probably now at the same levels of risk, so I don't see how it is vastly different.

lisyloo

jimi_man said:

I can't think of much training that would be better (or even possible) virtually - no doubt there is some. I imagine a lot depends on what profession the person is though.

Just for info, I’ve done a whole load of training that is perfectly suited to online with videos, quizzes, games etc.
some examples

ethics
anti corruption & bribery
unconscious bias
positive thinking
data protection & Gdpr
quality systems
Cyber security (games to find the phishing)

most technology training e.g. programming languages, operating systems, databases has been going online for many years,

obviously practical things like first aid, fire training, brick laying etc. Need to be done in person so as you say very much depends.

Ive been going to work since may 2020 and the biggest issue by far has been public transport and not a COVID secure office. Behaviour of people in offices has been much better controlled than on buses and trains.

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Thrugelmir

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Going forward WFH will be a major benefit and employers that don't offer it will be at a disadvantage. They need to think carefully about the offer they make to employees if they want to retain them.

Many variables to be considered from both the employees and employers perspective. Not least that many people cannot be trusted to work unsupervised. 

JamoLew

WFH doesn’t suit everybody and doesn’t suit every role/employer

There is no right or wrong nor any legal entitlement 

MattMattMattUK

Thrugelmir said:

[DELETED USER] said:

Going forward WFH will be a major benefit and employers that don't offer it will be at a disadvantage. They need to think carefully about the offer they make to employees if they want to retain them.

Many variables to be considered from both the employees and employers perspective. Not least that many people cannot be trusted to work unsupervised. 

Indeed, and usually those who shout loudest about their "right" to work from home, rather than just getting on with it are the least productive when working from home. Good employees already show that there are benefits to their employer working from home by keeping their performance at in-office levels. There also seem to be a lot of people who demand the "right" to work from home, who complain about going into the office and who are generally considerably less productive when working from home.

gplinge

jackieblack said:

lisyloo said:

phillw said:

wannabe_a_saver said:
The UK resuscitation council changed the guidelines so that 'mouth to mouth' or putting your face close to the person's mouth or nose is no longer recommended. 

My friend originally refused to do the mouth to mouth, but was told he would fail unless he did it.

It's easy on a forum to say "but that shouldn't happen" but it does happen.

I’m sure it did happen, but I’m not clear on why the resuscitation dummy wasn’t thoroughly sanitised.

Indeed
Sanitising between participants has always happened on every first aid course I’ve ever been on in the last 20 years 🤷🏻‍♀️

You also need to change the lungs - they can get rather nasty quite quickly. Last course I was on we were allocated our own dummy for the entire course including the final assessment to minimise the risk even with cleaning. At the completion of the course the dummies were stripped down, lungs discarded and the faces etc immersed in sterilising solution (apparently overnight) .

As to the comments re being forced to do mouth to mouth despite the Resuscitation Council updating the guidelines - reading some discussion forums some trainers disagreed. Only real approach I could suggest would be to politely enquire as to whether the trainer was aware of the updated guidelines - if they were and still insisted on mouth to mouth the a complaint to the company copied to the Resuscitation Council might set things rolling - again one comment suggested  getting the training company to confirm that their insurers would cover claims based on a non-approved teaching method, or were the company accepting full liability

 

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