Staying local

MattMattMattUK

justworriedabit said:

Davesnave said:

JamoLew said:

Let be honest - there are and have been 3 types of people during this:

1) One that follow every little rule,guidance and law to the letter
2) Those that generally follow the spirit of the rules,guidance and law
3) Those that try and find every little loophole/technicality/interpretation to justify doing what they want to do regardless

Almost right, but I think people who want to find technicalities and loopholes are not the same as those who find no reason to justify anything.

'Technicalities' may also inform following the spirit of the rules. For example, the current 7.2 cases per 100 000 in my area might be a significant factor in how I behave currently. It's probably the reason why 7 of us found ourselves chatting in someone's garden the other day for a few minutes. It wasn't anyone's intention to break rules and I only thought about it later on.

The people I'm most worried about locally are those in 1) I haven't seen some nearby ones for months. Apparently, they creep out at night to put out their bins etc. There's a virtually brand new car on their drive, which I bet hasn't moved since lockdown began. Their mental health wasn't great before 2020, so God knows where it is now!

Good post but the highlighted bit. Not everyone is like that I am not, nor is my family but we just want clear rules to let us know what we can do ie stay withing city X, stay within postcode, stay within council boundary, etc.
Thanks

The rules can not be that specific, in some parts of the country the furthest anyone in a council boundary would be from a supermarket is a few hundred meters, in others they could be 50+ miles. The postcode (at least the first part AA11 part) in one direction from my flat I could go 7-8 miles, in the other direction it changes around 30 meters away, in terms of the overall postcode district (the first one or two letters) that covers an area that extends 45 miles in one direction and 4 in another. With town/city, London is a huge city of millions, staying within that city would present almost no travel restrictions for many of it's occupants. 

The rules can not be overly prescriptive, they have to rely on judgement to a large extent, the problem is that many people have incredibly poor judgement. I was even told at one point that the measure should be how far you could walk or ride on a bike, which might make sense to some, but I can ride 80-100km on my bike reasonably comfortably, I walk 25-30km a day 2-3 times a week, whilst others struggle with a few hundred meters. I think most people know when they are breaching local, even if it is hard to quantify. 

The furthest I have been from home this year is 18 miles, on four occasions when I have gone into my office, the rest of the time I work from home and by car the furthest I have been this year apart from those four instances has been 3.5km. I have, however been on circular bike rides which have taken me 30km from home and walks which have meant I was 12km from home, I view that all as "local", but others will take a different view, such is the difficulty of making it a specific regulation.

MattMattMattUK

GrumpyDil said:

I've always thought common sense is useful. For instance my nearest shopping area is in a different county and council area. That area is approx 6 miles closer than the nearest shops in my council area and has a lower rate of infection than the other area.
Is anyone really going to argue that I should travel further to stay local?

I am sure someone will, such as become the petty nature of those who follow the rules obsessively, rather than rationally. 

epm-84

Lover_of_Lycra said:

epm-84 said:

Torry_Quine said:

It's always meant within your own council boundary where I am.

If you're in England that stopped applying at the end of December last year, when local was redefined as the town, village or part of the city where you live unless you have a good reason to travel further, when prior to that for those in tier 3/4 areas it meant your local council area.

I think we can safely say that with a user name like @Torry_Quine the poster is not in England. 

But if @Torry_Quine is resident in Scotland (opposed to being a Scot living elsewhere, I know lots of Scots living in England) he or she should have realised the discussion was about the rules for the c.83% of British population living in England (from the date referred to in the opening post), not the c.7% living in Scotland.

Torry_Quine

epm-84 said:

Lover_of_Lycra said:

epm-84 said:

Torry_Quine said:

It's always meant within your own council boundary where I am.

If you're in England that stopped applying at the end of December last year, when local was redefined as the town, village or part of the city where you live unless you have a good reason to travel further, when prior to that for those in tier 3/4 areas it meant your local council area.

I think we can safely say that with a user name like @Torry_Quine the poster is not in England. 

But if @Torry_Quine is resident in Scotland (opposed to being a Scot living elsewhere, I know lots of Scots living in England) he or she should have realised the discussion was about the rules for the c.83% of British population living in England (from the date referred to in the opening post), not the c.7% living in Scotland.

I first posted to say what local meant here in Scotland and so it was clear. Subsequently I responded to the comments and questions of others. Its apparent that some people don't think I should have the audacity to post.

od244051

JamoLew said:

The definition of “Local” has been published .

” Your village,town or part of a city where you live”

Currently 17miles is unlikely to be classed as local

It depends on where you live. If in an area where little hamlets are 3-4 miles apart and nearest town to food shop is 15 miles away, that’s more local than living in a city where everything is in the city 

epm-84

Torry_Quine said:

epm-84 said:

Lover_of_Lycra said:

epm-84 said:

Torry_Quine said:

It's always meant within your own council boundary where I am.

If you're in England that stopped applying at the end of December last year, when local was redefined as the town, village or part of the city where you live unless you have a good reason to travel further, when prior to that for those in tier 3/4 areas it meant your local council area.

I think we can safely say that with a user name like @Torry_Quine the poster is not in England. 

But if @Torry_Quine is resident in Scotland (opposed to being a Scot living elsewhere, I know lots of Scots living in England) he or she should have realised the discussion was about the rules for the c.83% of British population living in England (from the date referred to in the opening post), not the c.7% living in Scotland.

I first posted to say what local meant here in Scotland and so it was clear. Subsequently I responded to the comments and questions of others. Its apparent that some people don't think I should have the audacity to post.

I personally had no idea who Torry Quine is until someone else pointed out that it's the name of a Scottish person.  As you never mentioned Scotland or your local authority for all I knew you live in London and were referring to the tier 4 rules which applied prior to the national lockdown being imposed.

epm-84

MattMattMattUK said:

justworriedabit said:

Davesnave said:

JamoLew said:

Let be honest - there are and have been 3 types of people during this:

1) One that follow every little rule,guidance and law to the letter
2) Those that generally follow the spirit of the rules,guidance and law
3) Those that try and find every little loophole/technicality/interpretation to justify doing what they want to do regardless

Almost right, but I think people who want to find technicalities and loopholes are not the same as those who find no reason to justify anything.

'Technicalities' may also inform following the spirit of the rules. For example, the current 7.2 cases per 100 000 in my area might be a significant factor in how I behave currently. It's probably the reason why 7 of us found ourselves chatting in someone's garden the other day for a few minutes. It wasn't anyone's intention to break rules and I only thought about it later on.

The people I'm most worried about locally are those in 1) I haven't seen some nearby ones for months. Apparently, they creep out at night to put out their bins etc. There's a virtually brand new car on their drive, which I bet hasn't moved since lockdown began. Their mental health wasn't great before 2020, so God knows where it is now!

Good post but the highlighted bit. Not everyone is like that I am not, nor is my family but we just want clear rules to let us know what we can do ie stay withing city X, stay within postcode, stay within council boundary, etc.
Thanks

With town/city, London is a huge city of millions, staying within that city would present almost no travel restrictions for many of it's occupants. 

Actually the City of London only has a population of 9000 people, the Greater London metropolitan area has a population of 8.9m.  If you live in Greenwich then Greenwich is the place you live when defining local.  

sheramber

 I personally had no idea who Torry Quine is until someone else pointed out that it's the name of a Scottish person.  As you never mentioned Scotland or your local authority for all I knew you live in London and were referring to the tier 4 rules which applied prior to the national lockdown being imposed.

Did you miss

In Scotland when they said local council area you could only have visited the one in the same council even if the other parents were less miles away.
For instance I know someone who would usually shop at a supermarket in the next council. They had to use the one in the same council even though it wasn't as close.

Davesnave

sheramber said:

 I personally had no idea who Torry Quine is until someone else pointed out that it's the name of a Scottish person.  As you never mentioned Scotland or your local authority for all I knew you live in London and were referring to the tier 4 rules which applied prior to the national lockdown being imposed.

Did you miss

In Scotland when they said local council area you could only have visited the one in the same council even if the other parents were less miles away.
For instance I know someone who would usually shop at a supermarket in the next council. They had to use the one in the same council even though it wasn't as close.

  I thought Scots used to be known for their pragmatism and it wasn't so long ago they seemed to pretty well-governed too, but something strange appears to have happened there!

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epm-84 said:

Lover_of_Lycra said:

epm-84 said:

Torry_Quine said:

It's always meant within your own council boundary where I am.

If you're in England that stopped applying at the end of December last year, when local was redefined as the town, village or part of the city where you live unless you have a good reason to travel further, when prior to that for those in tier 3/4 areas it meant your local council area.

I think we can safely say that with a user name like @Torry_Quine the poster is not in England. 

But if @Torry_Quine is resident in Scotland (opposed to being a Scot living elsewhere, I know lots of Scots living in England) he or she should have realised the discussion was about the rules for the c.83% of British population living in England (from the date referred to in the opening post), not the c.7% living in Scotland.

Not only is the user name a give away but the poster had already made reference to the rules in Scotland. 83% of the population might live in England but the rest don’t and have different rules to follow and this thread appears to what is considered local and what’s allowed and those things depend where in the UK you are based.