7 Labour members quit party

triathlon

Very few are going to follow these seven idiots, just because they have pointed out what most people all ready know about Corbyn does not make them an attractive counter option. My biggest worry will be when the right and far right start a few break away parties, then we will witness the UK's true anger. Nigel Farage alone will take 10% plus of the vote, and that's enough to bring one of the two main parties down

LHW99

Very few are going to follow these seven idiots, just because they have pointed out what most people all ready know about Corbyn does not make them an attractive counter option. My biggest worry will be when the right and far right start a few break away parties, then we will witness the UK's true anger. Nigel Farage alone will take 10% plus of the vote, and that's enough to bring one of the two main parties down

On that scenario we'll end up with a rainbow coalition, as no one party will get a majority. Could be even more chaotic.

movilogo

We should move from FPTP system to proportional representation.

If there are many smaller parties (instead of traditional 2 big parties) there is there is more chance of having PR system in future.

triathlon

LHW99 wrote: »

On that scenario we'll end up with a rainbow coalition, as no one party will get a majority. Could be even more chaotic.

Oh it will get uglier before it gets better, Yes people are sick of Bankers, the establishment , conveyor belt politicians , but for these seven idiots to somehow pretend that they are the answer is laughable, Chuka Umunna for example is part of the problem and far from being the solution, he is so polished you need sunglasses to look at him, last thing the UK needs right now is a Blairite.

Just as much as people want to kick the establishment, bankers and politicians right now they also are sick and tired of the liberal limp left and all it's PC's ways where nobody can say or do nothing without being branded.
I think eventually the right are going to become a large player in the UK until people witness how ugly they can be in real life, and I blame the left in many ways. Racism, women's and Gay rights and so much unfair social justice has moved so far ahead in recent decades where the fight has already been won, though not perfect, yet they left still want more pampering. The problem in the UK is not the housing issues of some 22 year old single mother with three fatherless kids, the problem is the low paid workers having to pay for it all as the rich dodge their taxes.

Filo25

BobQ wrote: »

It had to happen, Corbyn's lack of leadership is now there for all to see.

These 7 are probably committing political suicide so they have nothing to gain by continuing within the party.

Only a thorough drubbing by the electorate will convince the party that their faith in Corbyn has been misplaced.

Serious politicians now need to form a centre party.

I think too many have invested too much faith in Corbyn to have their minds changed easily now.

Personally I'm in a Lab/Con marginal and won't be voting for either.

Have no interest in supporting either the Tories as they morph into a hybrid of UKIP and ERG ultra-Thatcherite fantasies, or Labour as they head down the authoritarian hard left path.

Filo25

triathlon wrote: »

Oh it will get uglier before it gets better, Yes people are sick of Bankers, the establishment , conveyor belt politicians , but for these seven idiots to somehow pretend that they are the answer is laughable, Chuka Umunna for example is part of the problem and far from being the solution, he is so polished you need sunglasses to look at him, last thing the UK needs right now is a Blairite.

Just as much as people want to kick the establishment, bankers and politicians right now they also are sick and tired of the liberal limp left and all it's PC's ways where nobody can say or do nothing without being branded.
I think eventually the right are going to become a large player in the UK until people witness how ugly they can be in real life, and I blame the left in many ways. Racism, women's and Gay rights and so much unfair social justice has moved so far ahead in recent decades where the fight has already been won, though not perfect, yet they left still want more pampering. The problem in the UK is not the housing issues of some 22 year old single mother with three fatherless kids, the problem is the low paid workers having to pay for it all as the rich dodge their taxes.

I would suggest though that the right of British politics are highly unlikely to ever do anything about that, beyond villifying the single mother in the media while continuing to make the tax system as friendly to "wealth creators" as possible, and opposing any improvement in workers rights.

Economically I wouldn't argue with anyone who says that Britain has economically moved too far right in recent years, and that for far too many people they are working long hours and still living in poverty, the plight of the working poor is one of the biggest problems this country faces.

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triathlon

Filo25 wrote: »

I would suggest though that the right of British politics are highly unlikely to ever do anything about that, beyond villifying the single mother in the media while continuing to make the tax system as friendly to "wealth creators" as possible, and opposing any improvement in workers rights.

Economically I wouldn't argue with anyone who says that Britain has economically moved too far right in recent years, and that for far too many people they are working long hours and still living in poverty, the plight of the working poor is one of the biggest problems this country faces.

This is one of the biggest confidence tricks in the UK today, we are as far removed from being a right wing country as is possible. Right wing countries do not have 10,000's of people living in French shanty towns on the coast risking their lives trying to reach our shores, they are not doing that to reach here to be flogged, starved and oppressed.

Thrugelmir

triathlon wrote: »

the problem is the low paid workers having to pay for it all as the rich dodge their taxes.

Low paid workers benefit from the current system.

Better paid higher skilled jobs is the answer. Not taxing those that generate wealth further.

BobQ

vivatifosi wrote: »

Whatever we think of the other six, Luciana Berger's treatment by the party is appalling. My concern is that by breaking away, the light that needs to be shone on anti semitism will be focused elsewhere.

Unfortunately, the issue is not Luciana Berger but elements of the party who hold these views (no doubt small numbers and in pockets). I fail to see why she should soak it up for the good of the party.

If Labour cannot solve the problem, it lacks the leadership to address the problem.