7 Labour members quit party

Herzlos

John_G_Jones wrote: »

You have to laugh, really. Welcomed with open arms by Corbyn, found to be antisemitic, suspended, all within two days.

I missed the part of him being welcomed by Corbyn?

BobQ

Arklight wrote: »

I don't know much about this man other than what's on the wiki page, that he looks improbably youthful for 71, and has been thrown out for a 2012 tweet criticising Israel for "ruthless murdering."

Deaths since 2010 in the Israeli - Palestinian conflct

Israelis: 1,248
Palestinians: 9,568 (1261 of which were children)

https://ifamericaknew.org/stat/deaths.html

Hatton and some of his cohorts almost destroyed the Labour Party around 1980. Militant Tendency was a party within a party that behaved live Momentum today (but with more violence).

BobQ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

To win an election though. The middle ground needs to be won.

A fact that the extremes of right and left fail to understand. To them this is about their ideologies prevailing not about the best interests of the country.

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

A fact that the extremes of right and left fail to understand. To them this is about their ideologies prevailing not about the best interests of the country.

More reflective of the Labour party than the Tories generally.

See no 9 has today left the LP. Not going to join the independent group and agrees with TM's stance on Europe. Future votes in the HoC may prove interesting if this trend contunues.

triathlon

BobQ wrote: »

Hatton and some of his cohorts almost destroyed the Labour Party around 1980. Militant Tendency was a party within a party that behaved live Momentum today (but with more violence).

I think a good and educational watch for some people would be the TV series in the 1980's GBH by the great Alan Bleasdale, very relevant watch with what is happening today

Arklight

John_G_Jones wrote: »

That’s not true though, is it? He blamed British Jews for the actions of a foreign state. I know, I know, you like to claim in every case that antisemitism is just anti-Israel feeling (what’s your excuse for Corbyn’s support for the antisemitic mural?), but that just doesn’t work in this case.

Why does he think British Jews necessarily support Israel?

Oh, actually, I know this one, it’s because according to the left they must have divided loyalties.

I looked properly at the tweet, which is quite hard to find now, and you are half right. He wasn't blaming British Jews though, he was suggesting a moral failure of all Jewish people who weren't appalled by Israel and the tone of the tweet was that most of them fall into this category.

This is unfair. Blaming all Jewish people for the actions of the Israeli government as visited upon the Palestinians is as wrong as blaming all Muslims for the actions of ISIS,and he shouldn't have a place in the Labour Party if that's what he believes.

There are many people, either ethnically or religiously Jewish, even inside Israel, who disagree fundamentally with the human rights abuses perpetrated there. Like these veterans of the Israeli armed services who campaign under the banner, 'Breaking the Silence'.

https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/

If there is an assumption among some in the Left that all religiously and ethnically Jewish people are complicit in this, then it needs to stop. If there is an assumption among others that you can't talk about the issues around religious fundamentalism as perpetrated by a foreign government without being a racist, then that needs to stop too.

fatbeetle

7 Labour members have quit
3 former labour MP's are already sitting as independents, having been suspended while being investigated over abuse.
1 former labour MP is sitting as an independent, due to being in jail.

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

Hatton and some of his cohorts almost destroyed the Labour Party around 1980. Militant Tendency was a party within a party that behaved live Momentum today (but with more violence).

Apparently more modern methods are being used by Momentum members. Violence doesn't just have to be physical.

John_G_Jones

Arklight wrote: »

If there is an assumption among some in the Left that all religiously and ethnically Jewish people are complicit in this, then it needs to stop..

I think that there is. Labour has antisemitism at the top table now.

We have Labour leadership saying that people should lose British citizenship if they serve in the IDF but saying that they should not if they join ISIS, we have holocaust deniers welcomed into the party, McDonnell saying that if someone is suffering antisemitic bullying then the response is to demand that they pledge allegiance to the leadership, and we have Corbyn happier to speak to Hamas than to the Prime Minister.

It’s unbelievable that after this we still have people claiming that Israel is behind the recent Labour defections.

BobQ

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/23/corbyn-told-change-course-before-its-too-late-for-labour-michael-savage

Some of Labour’s most influential figures are urgently warning Jeremy Corbyn to change his approach to antisemitism, Brexit and factional infighting, as more senior politicians reveal they have already decided to quit the party.

Figures across the party say that a major exodus of MPs, peers and councillors will be triggered over the next few weeks unless the demands for change are met, with some already poised to go.

The forces of reason are closing in on Corbyn as his party drops back in the polls.