7 Labour members quit party

fatbeetle

Isn't the fact that Labour is so wrapped up in this sort of malarkey, and not focusing on the needs of the average Brit, that is driving them out of favour?

BobQ

fatbeetle wrote: »

Isn't the fact that Labour is so wrapped up in this sort of malarkey, and not focusing on the needs of the average Brit, that is driving them out of favour?

The anti-semitism is allowed to fester due to a lack of willingness to confront it. Tom Watson has today sent a file with 50 more examples to the great leader. Whether he takes it seriously is unclear.

To be fair, I think that Corbyn and his supporters are focusing on what they think the country needs in the belief that a majority will agree with them. The problem is that (like in the 1980s) the only ones who believe in their policies are the minority who support them. Governments rarely get elected without appealing to the centre ground in any era. That is why Foot and Corbyn have won nothing but Blair won three elections.

Crashy_Time

BobQ wrote: »

The anti-semitism is allowed to fester due to a lack of willingness to confront it. Tom Watson has today sent a file with 50 more examples to the great leader. Whether he takes it seriously is unclear.

To be fair, I think that Corbyn and his supporters are focusing on what they think the country needs in the belief that a majority will agree with them. The problem is that (like in the 1980s) the only ones who believe in their policies are the minority who support them. Governments rarely get elected without appealing to the centre ground in any era. That is why Foot and Corbyn have won nothing but Blair won three elections.

And look where that got us.

Arklight

BobQ wrote: »

The anti-semitism is allowed to fester due to a lack of willingness to confront it. Tom Watson has today sent a file with 50 more examples to the great leader. Whether he takes it seriously is unclear.

To be fair, I think that Corbyn and his supporters are focusing on what they think the country needs in the belief that a majority will agree with them. The problem is that (like in the 1980s) the only ones who believe in their policies are the minority who support them. Governments rarely get elected without appealing to the centre ground in any era. That is why Foot and Corbyn have won nothing but Blair won three elections.

Labour won more actual votes in 2017 under Corbyn than Blair did in 2011, although obviously the spread led to a Labour government then.

The polls then also showed the Tories to have a double digit lead over Labour, which was why May called an election. The nation was confidently assured by the press that Labour was unelectable and under the Left (good grief, a left wing Labour party) was headed for it's biggest defeat since the war.

Just like now.

I've yet to see specific examples of anti-semitism in the Labour Party so I can't comment on them. I was active in my local CLP around the election in 2015 and the locals just before that. I met a lot of existing members, mostly old schoolers who'd been around for decades and canvassed with a lot of evil Momentum characters who wanted to impose their malevolent wills on the world by funding education and hospitals, and providing care for disabled people.

Throughout all this I heard Israel and / or Jewish people mentioned precisely zero times.

If anyone had asked my opinion on this topic I would have said I think the state of Israel, repeatedly sanctioned by the UN Security Council, recipient of more resolutions than the rest of the world combined, and responsible for 12,000 Palestinian deaths in the last decade (1300 of which were children) is a disastrous apartheid state that should be subject to the same sanctions as South Africa was until they stop brutalising Palestinians, but this is a very separate issue to Jewish people, their ethnicity and their religion, and their right to live in peace.

Presumably that makes me an anti-semite as well now, as the Right has succeeded in weaponising this topic and ensuring it now can't be discussed.

ukcarper

Arklight wrote: »

Labour won more actual votes in 2017 under Corbyn than Blair did in 2011, although obviously the spread led to a Labour government then.

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I take it you mean 2001, May actually got more votes than Blair got in 1997.

Thrugelmir

ukcarper wrote: »

I take it you mean 2001, May actually got more votes than Blair got in 1997.

Isn't the electorate larger now?

ukcarper

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Isn't the electorate larger now?

She got slightly lower percentage 42.4% compared to 43.2% Blair got 40.7% in 2001 Corbyn got 40%.

In 1997 and 2001 main two parties got about 72% of vote in 2017 they got about 82%.

movilogo

With JC now offering 2nd ref, I wonder whether the defectors would re-join the party

Thrugelmir

movilogo wrote: »

With JC now offering 2nd ref, I wonder whether the defectors would re-join the party

A sticking plaster.........

Defectors are doomed. No backing at local level. Momentum wants them out.

Malthusian

movilogo wrote: »

With JC now offering 2nd ref, I wonder whether the defectors would re-join the party

Depends. Would rats rejoin the Titanic because it had been reversed off the iceberg?