7 Labour members quit party

Filo25

Arklight wrote: »

Last three New Labour shares of the vote in General Elections: 35%, 29% and 30%. Corbyn got 40%.

Somehow I don't imagine the 12.6 million people who voted Labour in 2017 will especially care that Chuka Umunna is no longer part of the PLP.

Hopefully there will be byelections soon. Will be surprised if Streatham returns Umunna to the House as an independent.

Corbyn got lucky that the LibDems and UKIP had been pretty much wiped out and this was an election where we saw a clear return to 2 party politics, Labour picked up votes and so did the Tories.

No getting away from the fact that Corbyn himself is monumentally unpopular with voters, his youth appeal is quietly falling as well.

He's lucky he is up agaisnt someone as awful as May is.

stator

Filo25 wrote: »

If we do end up with May somehow pushing through a Hard Brexit, there will be a few moderate Tories joining The Independent Group as well, I thought the setup today was very much leaving it open to becoming an umbrella for people from a variety of parties.

And that's why it will fail.


It's just a group of people who hate Corbyn.
They don't actually share anything in common.


Protest parties never actually go anywhere.


I'd respect them more if they had nailed their colours to the mast and joined the Liberal Democrats or another part. Calling yourselves independant is a cop out.

Arklight

Tromking wrote: »

Hmm. I'm not so sure.
Chuka appeals to the no doubt large Black/Asian vote and the middle class white Brexit-hating vote too.

If you're assuming that BAME voters just vote for politicians with a similar skin tone to them, then maybe. Otherwise, Umunna doesn't particularly represent politics that would benefit these groups. He's pro-austerity, pro -invading other countries, anti-immigration, keen on reducing taxes for the rich, and somewhat ambiguous around workers' rights.

This doesn't make him a right wing beast by any measure, but it doesn't make him look especially like a Labour MP either. My estimation of him is that he's a career MP who decided he'd get further in a Blairite Labour party than he would as a black man with Nigerian name in any form of Tory Party, whose politics he really has more in common with.

Arklight

Filo25 wrote: »

Corbyn got lucky that the LibDems and UKIP had been pretty much wiped out and this was an election where we saw a clear return to 2 party politics, Labour picked up votes and so did the Tories.

No getting away from the fact that Corbyn himself is monumentally unpopular with voters, his youth appeal is quietly falling as well.

He's lucky he is up agaisnt someone as awful as May is.

If you read back what you wrote, what you have actually said is that people who would have voted for the Lib Dems voted for Labour instead. But you are presenting this like the bus wasn't running that day so they couldn't get to Lib Demsville.

This is far from the case. Voters had a choice of voting Lib Dem and they decided Labour had a better offer. I used to be a Lib Dem voter and did exactly that.

triathlon

Arklight wrote: »

Last three New Labour shares of the vote in General Elections: 35%, 29% and 30%. Corbyn got 40%.

Somehow I don't imagine the 12.6 million people who voted Labour in 2017 will especially care that Chuka Umunna is no longer part of the PLP.

Hopefully there will be byelections soon. Will be surprised if Streatham returns Umunna to the House as an independent.

Hey, we cannot have Chuka Umunna denied his divine right of being the first ever black PM, this is our Hilary Clinton moment.

Arklight

Praying for Jess Phillips to go next.

Sadly for all her bleating, whinging, sniping, and bellyaching, she knows what side her bread is buttered.

Fella

Arklight wrote: »

Last three New Labour shares of the vote in General Elections: 35%, 29% and 30%. Corbyn got 40%.

Comparing a dreadful performance to some that were even worse doesn't make it any less dreadful.

He was up against probably the worst Tory Campaign in history, his ludicrous economic plans were allowed to go entirely unchallenged by the BBC etc etc, and he almost certainly benefitted from large scale voter fraud by students voting in their home constituency and their University constituency (who knows how many of his marginal seats were thanks to that disgrace). And with all that in his favour he managed to win less seats than even Kinnock managed. And roughly the same as the universally hated Gordon Broon. An utter failure. And he's got much less popular since!! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Thrugelmir

Filo25 wrote: »

If we do end up with May somehow pushing through a Hard Brexit, there will be a few moderate Tories joining The Independent Group as well, I thought the setup today was very much leaving it open to becoming an umbrella for people from a variety of parties.

If there's no deal to be had. Then Brexit will happen without one. Mrs May is simply the facilitator. If Parliament cannot agree. Then unlikely the EU member states will either. Too many seperate vested interests.

BobQ

It had to happen, Corbyn's lack of leadership is now there for all to see.

These 7 are probably committing political suicide so they have nothing to gain by continuing within the party.

Only a thorough drubbing by the electorate will convince the party that their faith in Corbyn has been misplaced.

Serious politicians now need to form a centre party.

vivatifosi

Whatever we think of the other six, Luciana Berger's treatment by the party is appalling. My concern is that by breaking away, the light that needs to be shone on anti semitism will be focused elsewhere.