7 Labour members quit party

LHW99

I seem to think there were some financial problems at Liverpool when he was on the council

sevenhills

stator wrote: »

If the remainers in parliament manage to stop brexit, the main parties will take a beating at the next election and UKIP will probably become the third biggest party in parliament. Brexit will never end until it happens

Most people will always vote for their own personal financial best interest.
All this emotional clap trap around leaving the EU has blurred that.

Malthusian

Guerillatoker wrote: »

Oh God, you've just made me realise we are entering a new age where the 2 main electoral forces will be this morally entitled Independent Group and the shameless self-enrichment of Nigel's The Brexit Party.

Nah. Politics is about more than this one issue which is settled anyway. On every issue apart from Brexit, the country is still divided along red / blue lines.

stator

sevenhills wrote: »

Most people will always vote for their own personal financial best interest.
All this emotional clap trap around leaving the EU has blurred that.

Not when it comes to Brexit.

Thrugelmir

Malthusian wrote: »

Nah. Politics is about more than this one issue which is settled anyway. On every issue apart from Brexit, the country is still divided along red / blue lines.

To win an election though. The middle ground needs to be won.

AKRev01

Oh dear what a mess we are in

sammyjammy

Arklight wrote: »

Last three New Labour shares of the vote in General Elections: 35%, 29% and 30%. Corbyn got 40%.

Somehow I don't imagine the 12.6 million people who voted Labour in 2017 will especially care that Chuka Umunna is no longer part of the PLP.

Hopefully there will be byelections soon. Will be surprised if Streatham returns Umunna to the House as an independent.

Not a fan then?

John_G_Jones

triathlon wrote: »

the problem is the low paid workers having to pay for it all as the rich dodge their taxes.

That would be a problem yes, but fortunately it’s not the case. The bottom three quintiles are net receivers in cash terms, before you even look at services received. The second-top quintile pays a little and the top quintile pays the lion’s share.

I really don’t understand where people get these non-facts from. The ONS publishes pretty comprehensive data so the only assumption is that you actively avoid checking once you’ve decided that something must be true.

John_G_Jones

Thrugelmir wrote: »

An indication of the direction that Labour are travelling.
A name from the past......
Derek Hatton rejoins Labour after 34 years

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-47286766

You have to laugh, really. Welcomed with open arms by Corbyn, found to be antisemitic, suspended, all within two days.

John_G_Jones

Arklight wrote: »

I don't know much about this man other than what's on the wiki page, that he looks improbably youthful for 71, and has been thrown out for a 2012 tweet criticising Israel for "ruthless murdering."

Deaths since 2010 in the Israeli - Palestinian conflct

Israelis: 1,248
Palestinians: 9,568 (1261 of which were children)

https://ifamericaknew.org/stat/deaths.html

That’s not true though, is it? He blamed British Jews for the actions of a foreign state. I know, I know, you like to claim in every case that antisemitism is just anti-Israel feeling (what’s your excuse for Corbyn’s support for the antisemitic mural?), but that just doesn’t work in this case.

Why does he think British Jews necessarily support Israel?

Oh, actually, I know this one, it’s because according to the left they must have divided loyalties.