Can you make someone else lose weight?

Anoneemoose

theoretica wrote: »

I fully agree with that! The thing that really annoys me about this thread are the number of posters telling me what and how I should be thinking. It is very easy to want to share something that has worked well for you, but this can end up putting down what has worked for other people, being perceived as claiming they are wrong that something else works for them or assuming that what works for you will work for them too.

I do believe it is possible for nearly everyone to control their weight. I do not presume that any other person should think about it in the same ways that I do.

Just because I think it's a personal thing doesn't mean I believe any different from what I have said or that I believe dieting works. I still don't. And I dont believe it's possible for nearly everyone to control their weight, in the sense of maintaining a weight loss. But ultimately, it is not up to me or anyone else and I respect that.

I said what I said because people pounce on others who have a different opinion and mine is 'different'. I especially find the people who follow SW are extremely defensive, quite often aggressively so. (Not on here). These are the same people who are bewildered at the thought of the pasta n sauce or mugshots being more syns than they were, even though nothig has changed. Same with Porky Lights too.

Anoneemoose

getmore4less wrote: »

Mindful intuitive eating is watching what you eat just different to other ways.

In a way. But the big, most important difference is it doesn't have a focus on weight loss.

Anoneemoose

jayII wrote: »

I've never spent a Christmas / other special occasion feeling consumed by guilt about my eating. I just relax, enjoy the occasion and deal with any weight gain afterwards, in a matter-of-fact way such as FBaby is describing. There isn't usually much, if any weight gain anyway because I stick loosely to SW principles, enjoy my food and relax/don't worry about it. The fact that you have previously found special occasion foods to be guilt inducing says more about your issues with food than about anything else.

BTW, I have tried intuitive eating in the past, got fully into it and (to give it a proper chance) stuck with it for a year or so. I put on 3-4 stone of excess weight over that year. Since I'd also gained a couple of stones over a couple of years following a very traumatic event before that. I tried intuitive eating thinking it would stop the gain increasing further!!! I did all the 'right' things--found a recommended therapist and so on, but I shudder to think what my weight would be now if I'd continued with that approach to eating.

The weight is slowly coming off, courtesy of SW. I've joined, left and rejoined a few times, depending on what else is happening in my life and the weight I lose each time mostly stays off, so I'm gradually getting back to a weight I feel comfortable with. Living with 6 stones of extra weight certainly does not work for me!

So whilst you're happy with intuitive/mindful eating and are happy to remain in the 'obese' category, IE does not work for everyone.

And as I said. Issues around food only caused by dieting.

Left, rejoined, mostly stays off. My point exactly.

Weight gain after starting IE is common and is often directly linked to how much dieting has been done previously.

Pollycat

Anoneemoose wrote: »

I agree that managing weight is a personal thing. My main reason for debating this much is because of the way my point of view is jumped upon because I don't agree with SW (or any dieting).

This was the post that started the debate about Slimming World.

Anoneemoose wrote: »

Please don't be sucked into the Slimming World hype either. It touts itself as a healthy lifestyle but it was the cause of many problems, including bulimia for me. And lots of others too. It is essentially a low fat, calorie controlled diet and we now know low fat isn't good for you.
People believe that because you're 'allowed to eat' fruit and veg and cook from scratch that it's healthy, but don't forget you can cook from scratch and eat fruit and veg regardless. And SW also heavily push processed rubbish too. You have to count whole foods like avocado and nuts as syns, yet you can eat 15 full of nasties mullerlights if you wanted because they're 'free'.

It really seems to get to you that some people (OK, yes, I know - we are in the minority) have had success with SW.
From some of the things you've posted, you have (had?) an obsessive tendency and seemed to believe everything you were told regarding food and diets which unfortunately for you resulted in an eating disorder.

I'm not interested in 'mindful eating' or 'intuitive eating'.
I'm happy eating the way I do.
I've stated that SW worked for me and I accept that I'm in a minority.

I hope anyone who is overweight and wants to lose weight finds the solution that works for them long-term.

Anoneemoose

Pollycat wrote: »

This was the post that started the debate about Slimming World.


It really seems to get to you that some people (OK, yes, I know - we are in the minority) have had success with SW.
From some of the things you've posted, you have (had?) an obsessive tendency and seemed to believe everything you were told regarding food and diets which unfortunately for you resulted in an eating disorder.

I'm not interested in 'mindful eating' or 'intuitive eating'.
I'm happy eating the way I do.
I've stated that SW worked for me and I accept that I'm in a minority.

I hope anyone who is overweight and wants to lose weight finds the solution that works for them long-term.

Yes, my post started it. And as I said SW followers jumped on the defensive.

I agree with your last sentence.

jayII

Anoneemoose wrote: »

And as I said. Issues around food only caused by dieting.

Left, rejoined, mostly stays off. My point exactly.

Weight gain after starting IE is common and is often directly linked to how much dieting has been done previously.

Don't twist my words or anything, will you! What issues caused by dieting? I had never dieted before trying IE, therefore any 'issues' I ever had were caused by IE.

My weight gain or 'issues' if you want to call it that, started following a stressful life event. I did not and had not dieted at that point, because I'd seen the hype about the '95% failure rate. Instead I chose IE. My additional weight gain was entirely caused by intuitive/mindful eating as I was over the stressful life issues at that point. Again, they were in no way linked to previously dieting as I had never previously dieted.

I leave when I am too busy to attend the classes and I rejoin when I have more time. The weight stays off each time, so I'm slowly becoming lighter and lighter, but life is often too interesting and busy for me to prioritise weekly SW classes consistently. It's working well for me and I enjoy my food which is mostly fresh, high in fruit and veg and prepared from scratch. I simply choose to be more conscious and careful about how many sweet or highly processed foods I eat, which fits in with SW 'syns'.

Again, I am not saying SW is right for everyone, or that your way is wrong for you, but SW works for me and I'm very happy with my way of eating.

getmore4less

Anoneemoose wrote: »

In a way. But the big, most important difference is it doesn't have a focus on weight loss.

If overweight it should.

You should be mindful of the foods that make you want to eat less overall.

Pollycat

Anoneemoose wrote: »

Yes, my post started it. And as I said SW followers jumped on the defensive.

I agree with your last sentence.

I think the person being most defensive.........is you.

You've shouted down (or at least tried to) everyone who has said they've had success with SW.

FBaby

I don't know whether this makes me sad or more angry (not at you). "Life is about constantly watching what you eat"...if you cannot see what's wrong with that statement then I feel for you. And please don't think I am patronising you. It's genuine. Life is about so much more than watching what you eat

It makes you sad because if sounds to you that watching what I eat means that I am restricting myself somehow. It isn't. It is no different to me than watching that I get enough sleep, watching that I don't go overdrawn and pay my bills on time, watching that I don't forget an important birthday. It is just normal habits, things you do in life because they need to be done. It doesn't make me depressed or even oppressed. It does sound though that this is how it would make you feel and that's why you are finding it difficult.

What you mentioned about you eating more when pregnant was not intuitive eating - it was more likely a knee jerk reaction to the fact you had previously restricted your food intake somehow.

You can interpret it as you wish, but I can assure you that I was much happier both before and after so restricting is certainly healthier for me both physically and mentally.

And, why would need to cut down on holiday?? That's diet speak.

I don't cut down, but I don't go ballistic either. I can enjoy an ice cream whilst walking on the beach, which I normally wouldn't really do at home, but I probably won't feel that it's ok to indulge in huge deserts after each meal just because I'm on holiday. There is a balance between some restriction and full indulging without care.

maman

Pollycat wrote: »

I think the person being most defensive.........is you.

You've shouted down (or at least tried to) everyone who has said they've had success with SW.

I think you're right.


I'm a keen SW fan. It's the only 'diet' I've ever tried. It suited me to lose some weight I'd gained after a lifestyle change and 7 years on it's still suiting me. It gives a structure to healthy eating.


BUT...I think anonymoose has a problem that goes far beyond food so I've been reluctant to engage as it seems impossible to have a rational conversation.