Can you make someone else lose weight?

Red-Squirrel_2

Anoneemoose wrote: »

I disagree. If you eat mindfully, you generally don't overeat, regardless of what it is. My homemade fudge example in a previous post is a good example.

Obviously there will always be times that everyone eats more than they are hungry for.

‘Mindful eating’ just sounds like another gimmick, no different really to syns, points, paleo, Gi, alkaline, clean eating, 5:2, Ketogenic or any other fad/trend.

I think people who have issues with food and are prone to eating disorders can be vulnerable for getting a bit ‘all or nothing’ with these programmes, so I don’t think any are healthy long term, physically or mentally.

I don’t know what the answer is though, western diet and attitudes to food and eating/appearance are clearly making a lot of us unhealthy, physically and mentally, and I can’t see everybody suddenly deciding to eat like the Japanese overnight!

Anoneemoose

getmore4less wrote: »

You need all food groups the fatty/protein fillers are more satisfying and curb the urges longer with smaller amounts than carb sugar based fillers even wet ones like fruit and veg.

Yes, I often have some grapes or tomatoes with that sort of snack. A bit of everything. But my point about going off the dry stuff I think was more to do with what I used to 'think' I liked so much. When I dieted, things like pastries, or a quiche with pastry, or bread was, although not 'forbidden', often portrayed as 'the devil'. "Bread's the devil" was a phrase I often heard in my workplace. Same with pies and quiche. If we had a buffet, it was all 'ooh, I shouldn't really eat this' as we took away a big wedge of whatever it was. Now, it never really appeals at all and I can take it or leave it.

See, when you diet, (and before anyone jumps on me, I know not everyone will be the same), you don't always trust yourself about what's good and what's not. You will generally eat what is 'free' or low syn, point calories. When you eat mindfully, you generally find out what you actually like.

And I know that some foods light up the brain's pleasure/reward receptors like a Christmas tree, but as I said, eating mindfully generally 'calms down' the response.

I used to think I was addicted to food. Turns out I'm not.

Anoneemoose

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

‘Mindful eating’ just sounds like another gimmick, no different really to syns, points, paleo, Gi, alkaline, clean eating, 5:2, Ketogenic or any other fad/trend.

I think people who have issues with food and are prone to eating disorders can be vulnerable for getting a bit ‘all or nothing’ with these programmes, so I don’t think any are healthy long term, physically or mentally.

I don’t know what the answer is though, western diet and attitudes to food and eating/appearance are clearly making a lot of us unhealthy, physically and mentally, and I can’t see everybody suddenly deciding to eat like the Japanese overnight!

I appreciate it may sound like that. But mindfulness is used in lots of areas (not just eating), to help people 'reconnect' for want of a better phrase to their bodies. Mindfulness isn't used as a weight loss tool, therefore it differs from the methods you mention. Mindfulness is more about making peace with food, tuning in to your body. You tend to find that people who are 'naturally slim' and have never dieted, generally eat mindfully and intuitively.

And I agree about the 'all or nothing mentally', but as I habe mentioned, it's generally dieting that causes that.

theoretica

One point that I think is often forgotten about losing weight is that the successful people are often relatively invisible. They are the people who decided they were a bit fat and did something about it and now as a matter of course don't put the weight back on. Unless you have known them for a long time you probably wouldn't know they lost weight 20 years ago. In that time someone else could have had a dozen or more failed attempts, and much more talking about it!

getmore4less

Anoneemoose wrote: »

Yes, I often have some grapes or tomatoes with that sort of snack. A bit of everything. But my point about going off the dry stuff I think was more to do with what I used to 'think' I liked so much. When I dieted, things like pastries, or a quiche with pastry, or bread was, although not 'forbidden', often portrayed as 'the devil'. "Bread's the devil" was a phrase I often heard in my workplace. Same with pies and quiche. If we had a buffet, it was all 'ooh, I shouldn't really eat this' as we took away a big wedge of whatever it was. Now, it never really appeals at all and I can take it or leave it.

See, when you diet, (and before anyone jumps on me, I know not everyone will be the same), you don't always trust yourself about what's good and what's not. You will generally eat what is 'free' or low syn, point calories. When you eat mindfully, you generally find out what you actually like.

And I know that some foods light up the brain's pleasure/reward receptors like a Christmas tree, but as I said, eating mindfully generally 'calms down' the response.

I used to think I was addicted to food. Turns out I'm not.

just because your problems were triggered by a diet does not mean that applies to everyone there are plenty of people with issues that have never even looked a diets.

i am in agreement with the general thinking just think your interpretation of why it works for you may be missing reasons but that does not matter for you but does for others.

for those that do go down the diet route the best ones are the one that get you to not want to eat so much then not want you to empty your wallet/

Anoneemoose

getmore4less wrote: »

just because your problems were triggered by a diet does not mean that applies to everyone there are plenty of people with issues that have never even looked a diets.

i am in agreement with the general thinking just think your interpretation of why it works for you may be missing reasons but that does not matter for you but does for others.

for those that do go down the diet route the best ones are the one that get you to not want to eat so much then not want you to empty your wallet/

Oh, I know there are people out there that are overweight and obese that have never dieted. However, I still don't think diets will help them. If they already have 'issues', I cannot comprehend how a set of rules that go against your body's natural cues and signals can help.

In addition, the biggest risk factor for obesity is having previously dieted. And the biggest risk factor for disordered eating (not full blown EDs, which are more complex of course), is having previously dieted too!

I maintain that focusing on weight in and of itself is not healthy. I found the graph in the TED talk I linked to interesting. If you didn't watch, it showed the risk of mortality in each section - normal, overweight and Obese and it showed them in relation to different types of behaviours and it shows the behaviours are the things that make the difference, regardless of weight.

Anoneemoose

theoretica wrote: »

One point that I think is often forgotten about losing weight is that the successful people are often relatively invisible. They are the people who decided they were a bit fat and did something about it and now as a matter of course don't put the weight back on. Unless you have known them for a long time you probably wouldn't know they lost weight 20 years ago. In that time someone else could have had a dozen or more failed attempts, and much more talking about it!

I see what you mean and probably agree to a certain extent, but surely that would be replicated in studies?

meer53

So, i lose weight by following SW, i don't restrict calories, i eat a healthy variety of foods, including chocolate, crisps etc. It works. If i followed the same principles without mentioning SW, it would still work, i'd just call it mindful eating. Sorted.

pollypenny

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

‘Mindful eating’ just sounds like another gimmick, no different really to syns, points, paleo, Gi, alkaline, clean eating, 5:2, Ketogenic or any other fad/trend.

I think people who have issues with food and are prone to eating disorders can be vulnerable for getting a bit ‘all or nothing’ with these programmes, so I don’t think any are healthy long term, physically or mentally.

I don’t know what the answer is though, western diet and attitudes to food and eating/appearance are clearly making a lot of us unhealthy, physically and mentally, and I can’t see everybody suddenly deciding to eat like the Japanese overnight!

5:2 is not a gimmick. Read Michael Mosley's book and learn the science behind it. Controlling insulin for one thing.

Basically, it’s a way of reminding ourselves that you can enjoy food without tucking in every day.

Red-Squirrel_2

pollypenny wrote: »

5:2 is not a gimmick. Read Michael Mosley's book and learn the science behind it. Controlling insulin for one thing.

Basically, it’s a way of reminding ourselves that you can enjoy food without tucking in every day.

Everybody who follows a fad diet claims that their particular one is not a fad diet.