Can you make someone else lose weight?

Anoneemoose

getmore4less wrote: »

The in lies a big problem.

There are foods that trigger the hunger response rather than turn it off, and a lot of them tend to get eaten when "hungry" so you get into a cycle.

on top of that you have when eating the turn off trigger happens too late to stop you when you have had enough, which will in many cases be well before you feel anywhere near satisfied never mind "full".

Sometimes the hunger/craving are triggered by something lacking in the diet, you won't know what and if you don't supply it you don't turn that response off and keep eating.

if you identify the foods that leave you wanting more soon after along with those that leave you feeling ok for longer you can adapt quite quickly and you end up eating less and get out of the habit of snacking.

lack of portion control also has a habitual mechanism especially if you like to eat till "full", not easy for everyone but just stop stuffing it in a bit earlier.

Any changes need to be considered within the daily regime and when your energy use is, if you have busy mornings and have not had a decent breakfast you are going to feel like snacks and quite possibly overeat at lunch.


Every time you feel you need to eat something think about the last thing you had and how long ago it was, look for the pattern.

If you are on set meal time and don't snack, then if you don't get that I am ready to eat now feeling when the next one is due then you can probably cut back a bit on the portion.

This is generally only the case for people who practise 'controlled' eating, not intuitive eating. And controlled eating is dieting. Most people are born with the abilty to nourish themselves correctly. How many babies do you know keep going at the breast or bottle after they've had enough? It's only when we start trying to interfere with that ('just one more piece of this, that or the other') that it becomes a problem.

And to turn the hunger trigger off, the solution is to eat mindfully. Which is generally the way naturally slim, never having dieted, people eat.

pollypenny

It’s also very easy to feel 'peckish' and then eat.

Have a good slug of water instead. Or an apple, a couple of satsumas if desperate to eat.

Otherwise keep busy. Boredom is another factor in over-eating.

Anoneemoose

pollypenny wrote: »

It’s also very easy to feel 'peckish' and then eat.

Have a good slug of water instead. Or an apple, a couple of satsumas if desperate to eat.

Otherwise keep busy. Boredom is another factor in over-eating.

Do you mean even if you're hungry? If I am peckish, I generally do have a drink anyway. But if it turns out that I am still physically hungry after, I will eat. And it will be whatever my body wants, which is very rarely apples, because they make my tummy go gripy and generally make me feel hungrier. They don't satisfy anything either. If I have a snack, one of my favourite things at the minute is cheese and lettuce wrapped in a bit of ham. I think that's because it's a bit of everything. Creaminess of the cheese, protein of the ham and crunchiness of the lettuce.

I have noticed since eating mindfully that I am not as big a fan of bread, crisps, pastry, crackers and biscuits anymore. Dry things if you like.

FBaby

Acceptable portions?? Surely what's acceptable is what your body is actually hungry for? If you are physically hungry, that's your body's way of tellingyou it needs nourishment and fuel. So you should feed it.

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There is one scientific fact and that is that we should eat the same amount of calories that we burn, end of. For most adults, that's around 2,000 calories a day. If your body is telling you that it needs 3,000 calories when you don't burn that amount, then it is lying to you and therefore it is likely to be your emotional side of the brain talking rather than the hypothalamus.

Anoneemoose

FBaby wrote: »

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There is one scientific fact and that is that we should eat the same amount of calories that we burn, end of. For most adults, that's around 2,000 calories a day. If your body is telling you that it needs 3,000 calories when you don't burn that amount, then it is lying to you and therefore it is likely to be your emotional side of the brain talking rather than the hypothalamus.

From a weight loss point of view.

And that's why I said physically hungry. If you listen to physical hunger then your body won't have you eat more than you need. It really is that good.

And the thing is your theory is blown out of the water when you consider set point. Your body/brain will tell you exactly what it needs to keep you within your set point range. And when you start trying to tell it what to do by restricting calories, it will do everything it can to keep you within said set point range.

getmore4less

Anoneemoose wrote: »

Do you mean even if you're hungry? If I am peckish, I generally do have a drink anyway. But if it turns out that I am still physically hungry after, I will eat. And it will be whatever my body wants, which is very rarely apples, because they make my tummy go gripy and generally make me feel hungrier. They don't satisfy anything either. If I have a snack, one of my favourite things at the minute is cheese and lettuce wrapped in a bit of ham. I think that's because it's a bit of everything. Creaminess of the cheese, protein of the ham and crunchiness of the lettuce.

I have noticed since eating mindfully that I am not as big a fan of bread, crisps, pastry, crackers and biscuits anymore. Dry things if you like.

Nothing to do with wet dry that's just a fat/protein v sugar/carb.

Anoneemoose

getmore4less wrote: »

Nothing to do with wet dry that's just a fat/protein v sugar/carb.

But I eat veg which has carbs as do potatoes and pasta.

It IS the dryness I have gone off. The texture isn't something that appeals as much, although that's not always the case. I do still eat them from time to time.

getmore4less

Anoneemoose wrote: »

This is generally only the case for people who practise 'controlled' eating, not intuitive eating. And controlled eating is dieting. Most people are born with the abilty to nourish themselves correctly. How many babies do you know keep going at the breast or bottle after they've had enough? It's only when we start trying to interfere with that ('just one more piece of this, that or the other') that it becomes a problem.

And to turn the hunger trigger off, the solution is to eat mindfully. Which is generally the way naturally slim, never having dieted, people eat.

Nothing to do with that's what people who have tried/do diet, loads out there just eat the wrong stuff and still feel hungry so eat more.

Anoneemoose

getmore4less wrote: »

Nothing to do with that's what people who have tried/do diet, loads out there just eat the wrong stuff and still feel hungry so eat more.

I disagree. If you eat mindfully, you generally don't overeat, regardless of what it is. My homemade fudge example in a previous post is a good example.

Obviously there will always be times that everyone eats more than they are hungry for.

getmore4less

Anoneemoose wrote: »

But I eat veg which has carbs as do potatoes and pasta.

It IS the dryness I have gone off. The texture isn't something that appeals as much, although that's not always the case. I do still eat them from time to time.

You need all food groups the fatty/protein fillers are more satisfying and curb the urges longer with smaller amounts than carb sugar based fillers even wet ones like fruit and veg.