Can you make someone else lose weight?

Pollycat

Mrs_Ryan wrote: »

I’m doing SW at the moment but I’m not brainwashed by it. I don’t eat Mullerlights, however if I were to eat what you suggest is the ideal thing to eat in that situation I would be physically sick as I cannot tolerate the texture of nuts and I hate honey (I’ve got issues with food phobias and problems with my gag reflex following an assault)

I believe you quoted that ideal SW food is all processed- take a look at today’s menu and tell me that it’s all processed rubbish!
Breakfast was bran flakes with milk and fruit (I need the fibre and calcium as I’m menopausal) lunch was a chicken salad and fruit. Dinner will be bolognaise made with mince, tomato puree and veg.
What’s wrong with that? I’m comfortable with that.
Anyone told me that it’s all rubbish and I should be eating nuts, avocados and whole yoghurts with honey I would frankly rather starve as it would make me incredibly sick if I did.

I don’t eat Mullerlights, Mug Shots, Diet Coke Chicken (I don’t drink any diet drinks or consume them in any way as a matter of course- I might have the very occasional can of Sainsbury’s own no Added Sugar diet drinks but that’s the exception rather than the rule) or mushy pea curry. I drink 2 litres of plain water per day. I do like the odd HiFi bar but I might stress- the odd one. I have the odd Light and Free yoghurt as well but I don’t eat 15 of them a day as suggested that SW members do with Mullerlights. I do eat quite a lot of Quark which I believe is a good source of protein- but I used to eat that when I wasn’t on SW!

My mum lost weight with SW- she lost 11 stone and went to a size 10. 10 years later- she’s a huge- size 12. Yes she’s put a little back on but that’s because she was diagnosed with haemochromatosis and has had to change her diet radically.

If I want a treat, i’ll have it- as I did on my birthday and graduation days when I went off plan and throughly enjoyed it!
Ps I’m sorry but I looked at at that peaceful eating website where she burbles on about being a qualified this that and the other and I’m sorry but all she is a qualified charlatan, parting desperate people with large amounts of cash! £1800 for 18 sessions- that’s £100 a session just to be told ‘oh yes you’re okay the way you are!’ Sorry but i’ll stick to paying a fiver a pop to get weighed. I worked in mental health long enough to spot a charlatan and she well and truly is one! I’m open minded enough to consider pretty much anything but I’m always suspicious where large amounts of cash are involved and it seems like a bit of a scam to me.

I thought the same about the website - but apparently anyone who says anything positive about Slimming World is in the minority. :whistle:

Anoneemoose

Mrs_Ryan wrote: »

I’m doing SW at the moment but I’m not brainwashed by it. I don’t eat Mullerlights, however if I were to eat what you suggest is the ideal thing to eat in that situation I would be physically sick as I cannot tolerate the texture of nuts and I hate honey (I’ve got issues with food phobias and problems with my gag reflex following an assault)

I believe you quoted that ideal SW food is all processed- take a look at today’s menu and tell me that it’s all processed rubbish!
Breakfast was bran flakes with milk and fruit (I need the fibre and calcium as I’m menopausal) lunch was a chicken salad and fruit. Dinner will be bolognaise made with mince, tomato puree and veg.
What’s wrong with that? I’m comfortable with that.
Anyone told me that it’s all rubbish and I should be eating nuts, avocados and whole yoghurts with honey I would frankly rather starve as it would make me incredibly sick if I did.

I don’t eat Mullerlights, Mug Shots, Diet Coke Chicken (I don’t drink any diet drinks or consume them in any way as a matter of course- I might have the very occasional can of Sainsbury’s own no Added Sugar diet drinks but that’s the exception rather than the rule) or mushy pea curry. I drink 2 litres of plain water per day. I do like the odd HiFi bar but I might stress- the odd one. I have the odd Light and Free yoghurt as well but I don’t eat 15 of them a day as suggested that SW members do with Mullerlights. I do eat quite a lot of Quark which I believe is a good source of protein- but I used to eat that when I wasn’t on SW!

My mum lost weight with SW- she lost 11 stone and went to a size 10. 10 years later- she’s a huge- size 12. Yes she’s put a little back on but that’s because she was diagnosed with haemochromatosis and has had to change her diet radically.

If I want a treat, i’ll have it- as I did on my birthday and graduation days when I went off plan and throughly enjoyed it!
Ps I’m sorry but I looked at at that peaceful eating website where she burbles on about being a qualified this that and the other and I’m sorry but all she is a qualified charlatan, parting desperate people with large amounts of cash! £1800 for 18 sessions- that’s £100 a session just to be told ‘oh yes you’re okay the way you are!’ Sorry but i’ll stick to paying a fiver a pop to get weighed. I worked in mental health long enough to spot a charlatan and she well and truly is one! I’m open minded enough to consider pretty much anything but I’m always suspicious where large amounts of cash are involved and it seems like a bit of a scam to me.

I think I said SW pushes processed stuff (or do you really think it has financial ties with mullerlight for the good of people's health). And it does push processed stuff. I also said (numerous times) that just because you can also eat whole foods, doesn't make it good. I eat some of the things you do and I don't diet.

Your circumstances regarding the fact you can't eat certain things because of phobias are not really relevant. I generally eat white bread (if I eat it) because of my IBS. The point I made was the comparison that my wholefood, unprocessed breakfast would be far more syns than one made of a fat free, sweetener laden yogurt. And mine would be far more nutritious and satiating.

Regardless of what you think of my opinions of it or the anecodotes regarding yourself, your mum and Pollycat, scientific evidence proves that dieting is likely to fail. Why are you people not understanding this? And if you do understand this, why are you not understanding that SW is a diet, therefore is part of that scientific evidence. You are obviously one of the 'lucky(?) few' too. If only there were figures on how many people had long term success with SW, compared with the number overall. I believe SW have been asked for that information previously and have refused to provide it, possibly for the Channel 4 documentary. I'll see if I can find out specifically.

And just because YOU'RE not brainwashed into thinking mullerlights and the like are healthy, doesn't mean others aren't. I came from a family where I drank mostly water, ate a well balanced diet and was slim. I joined SW and drank diet 'pop' thinking it was healthy, because it was free and it WAS pushed. Same with mullerlights. I consider myself relatively intelligent and I was taken in by it. There are plenty of others who aren't educated and will fall into that trap too.

As for Vania, I know of her and I know she's not a charlatan, so I would suggest you get your charlatan detector fixed! Not by any stretch is she. I know of others who've worked with her and they are very happy with the outcome of her services. She also offers free support via her FB group. In addition, she's a qualified psychologist, and as far as I can see, her prices are pretty average in relation to that.

If you've worked in the ED side of mental health, then you should know what I have said is true. Would you recommend someone with bulimia or anorexia or BED to go to SW or any other diet club?! No, I doubt it. So why would you recommend it to anyone else? In particular because those who are obese are often vulnerable anyway.

We can go round in circles all day and I will always have a response. I doubt I will stop many, if any, who are determined to follow SW (or any other diet plan). But even if one person reconsiders then I'm glad I've 'spoken out'. I don't care if you want to argue with me. I'm not the only person who has this opinion. I know of many people who agree with me, including others who have been consultants too.

Anoneemoose

Pollycat wrote: »

I thought the same about the website - but apparently anyone who says anything positive about Slimming World is in the minority. :whistle:

Erm, no. You seem to be twisting facts again to suit your own agenda. I never said anyone who says anything positive about SW are in the minority. Sadly, there are far too many blinkered people out there. I said that those that have lost weight long term with SW (or any other diet plan) are in the minority.

System

Ahh SW, joined for a month followed religiosuly and gained a stone :rotfl: not for everybody but works for many.

tbh i don;t thin theres any way to make someone lose weight unless they wamt to lose it. bf loves me as i am but i ant to lose weight for me so i'm trying to. but if i wasn;t bothered about losing weight and he tried to force it on me (as exes did, one told me i would be pretty, if i just lost weight). i don;t think we'd last long. I need to do it for me not someone else. Fair enough encouraging someone to eat healthier and exercise more, if you do it together its less about them and more about us if that makes sense

Anoneemoose

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/slimming-world-reveals-popular-free-11684107?ICID=FB_mirror_main

If this doesn't prove they're making it up as they go along, I don't know what will.

Mrs_Ryan

Anoneemoose wrote: »

I don’t care whether it pushes processed stuff or not. I will eat what I damn well want to eat!

Your circumstances regarding the fact you can't eat certain things because of phobias are not really relevant. I generally eat white bread (if I eat it) because of my IBS. The point I made was the comparison that my wholefood, unprocessed breakfast would be far more syns than one made of a fat free, sweetener laden yogurt. And mine would be far more nutritious and satiating.

Yes but you are basically saying that this that and the other is better for you than what SW tell you to eat. I’m trying to point out that not everyone would want to eat like that- me especially regardless of my SW status or not.

And just because YOU'RE not brainwashed into thinking mullerlights and the like are healthy, doesn't mean others aren't.

You basically suggested everyone doing SW was. I was merely pointing out this was not in fact the case.

I came from a family where I drank mostly water, ate a well balanced diet and was slim. I joined SW and drank diet 'pop' thinking it was healthy, because it was free and it WAS pushed. Same with mullerlights. I consider myself relatively intelligent and I was taken in by it. There are plenty of others who aren't educated and will fall into that trap too.

I’m doing a Masters degree and I know my own mind, thank you. I don’t agree with the pushing of Mullerlights etc as it happens.

As for Vania, I know of her and I know she's not a charlatan, so I would suggest you get your charlatan detector fixed! Not by any stretch is she. I know of others who've worked with her and they are very happy with the outcome of her services. She also offers free support via her FB group. In addition, she's a qualified psychologist, and as far as I can see, her prices are pretty average in relation to that.

She might be qualified but she’s not registered.... and she doesn’t mention anywhere on her website that’s shes a qualified psychologist..... She would need to be registered to be providing psychological services which she isn’t. Hence I stand by what I say.
She is not in fact a qualified psychologist as to be a qualified psychologist she would need a damn sight more than a BA in psychology- she would need to have a doctorate which it seems she is lacking.
If you've worked in the ED side of mental health, then you should know what I have said is true. Would you recommend someone with bulimia or anorexia or BED to go to SW or any other diet club?! No, I doubt it. So why would you recommend it to anyone else? In particular because those who are obese are often vulnerable anyway.

Nope. And where did I say I would recommend it? I didn’t as it happens. If someone wants to do it, great. If they don’t, they don’t. Not my problem!

We can go round in circles all day and I will always have a response.

Me too.....

See my replies. I totally get that you think anyone on a diet is cracked- but I don’t see what the difference between a Slimming club and someone professing that they can reprogramme your brain or suchlike is. They’re both taking advantage of vulnerable people although one is charging a sight more for it!

Anoneemoose

Mrs_Ryan wrote: »

See my replies. I totally get that you think anyone on a diet is cracked- but I don’t see what the difference between a Slimming club and someone professing that they can reprogramme your brain or suchlike is. They’re both taking advantage of vulnerable people although one is charging a sight more for it!

Once again, twisting what I said. I don't think anyone on a diet is cracked at all. I have already said I understand why people are. Because I know how I felt when I first embarked on dieting. I think that the majority of people on a diet are on a hiding to nothing. There's a big difference between that and thinking people are cracked.

I wouldn't say a counsellor is taking advantage. She doesn't say she's going to reprogramme your brain either. Also, as I said, for counselling type services, her prices are reasonable, I would say. I didn't pay much less than that for the area I live in, which I would imagine is a lot less than where she is based.

In addition, I am not promoting or advocating the 'use' of her services. I merely posted a link to her website out of courtesy because I used her quote. There are many free resources out there for people who don't want to or can't pay for one to one (as I believe I have already stated) and as part of her free FB group, she does actually offer support as much as possible. There are also other similar groups on social media. In addition, There are also some books that can help for a small, one off fee (probably less than a weekly SW weigh in). So please, stop trying to make your point all about the fact that ONE person charges a certain amount for her services.

And no, I didn't say everyone doing SW was brainwashed at all. I said there are people out there who don't know any better regarding the processed stuff. My stating that I believe I am reasonably intelligent was not a contest between mine and your intelligence. I doubt I could do a masters degree (not these days anyway), so good luck to you. It was to point out I am intelligent and I too bought into it and was convinced these processed products were healthy.

And yes, if someone wants to do SW, that's up to them, I agree. Just like it's a person's choice to do anything in regard to their body. I posted because I am completely and utterly anti diets, where weight loss is the focus and aim. And as I said, in particular SW. And the reason I am against SW is because of the 'healthy' facade it has created. People get drawn into it because they think it's a 'healthy eating plan', or a 'lifestyle change', when in fact it's a low fat, calorie controlled diet. And has science has proven. Diets don't work.

And yes, in regard to the comparison between my yogurty breakfast and a SW version, mine is more nutritious, more satiating and less processed. Obviously if a person has allergies or phobias they will only eat what they're able. But that isn't really relevant.

Pollycat

Anoneemoose wrote: »

I think I said SW pushes processed stuff (or do you really think it has financial ties with mullerlight for the good of people's health). And it does push processed stuff. I also said (numerous times) that just because you can also eat whole foods, doesn't make it good. I eat some of the things you do and I don't diet.

Your circumstances regarding the fact you can't eat certain things because of phobias are not really relevant. I generally eat white bread (if I eat it) because of my IBS. The point I made was the comparison that my wholefood, unprocessed breakfast would be far more syns than one made of a fat free, sweetener laden yogurt. And mine would be far more nutritious and satiating.

Regardless of what you think of my opinions of it or the anecodotes regarding yourself, your mum and Pollycat, scientific evidence proves that dieting is likely to fail. Why are you people not understanding this? And if you do understand this, why are you not understanding that SW is a diet, therefore is part of that scientific evidence. You are obviously one of the 'lucky(?) few' too. If only there were figures on how many people had long term success with SW, compared with the number overall. I believe SW have been asked for that information previously and have refused to provide it, possibly for the Channel 4 documentary. I'll see if I can find out specifically.

And just because YOU'RE not brainwashed into thinking mullerlights and the like are healthy, doesn't mean others aren't. I came from a family where I drank mostly water, ate a well balanced diet and was slim. I joined SW and drank diet 'pop' thinking it was healthy, because it was free and it WAS pushed. Same with mullerlights. I consider myself relatively intelligent and I was taken in by it. There are plenty of others who aren't educated and will fall into that trap too.

As for Vania, I know of her and I know she's not a charlatan, so I would suggest you get your charlatan detector fixed! Not by any stretch is she. I know of others who've worked with her and they are very happy with the outcome of her services. She also offers free support via her FB group. In addition, she's a qualified psychologist, and as far as I can see, her prices are pretty average in relation to that.

If you've worked in the ED side of mental health, then you should know what I have said is true. Would you recommend someone with bulimia or anorexia or BED to go to SW or any other diet club?! No, I doubt it. So why would you recommend it to anyone else? In particular because those who are obese are often vulnerable anyway.

We can go round in circles all day and I will always have a response. I doubt I will stop many, if any, who are determined to follow SW (or any other diet plan). But even if one person reconsiders then I'm glad I've 'spoken out'. I don't care if you want to argue with me. I'm not the only person who has this opinion. I know of many people who agree with me, including others who have been consultants too.

This is where we differ.

Also being a water drinker, I would never, ever have switched to some diet pop because somebody told me it was OK to do so.

I'm not making any statements about my intelligence or otherwise but I guess you're probably more suggestible than I am and that's probably why SW worked for me and didn't for you.

I hope it works for the OP and her OH.
I'm sure she's read your warnings and well as the accounts from the minority who've managed to lose weight with SW (and keep it off).

suki1964

GwylimT wrote: »

That really isn't true, when in the UK the only processed food we bought was tomato puree. We fed a family of four (with two coeliacs) for around £40 per month. This included breakfast, lunch/packup and our evening meal and we always got our five a day.

Eating processed foods is much more expensive.

I thought I managed a cheap healthy diet at £120 a month for 3 adults ( no special dietary needs)

Can you give a typical monthly meal plan? Would help me for sure as we are on a limited income and I thought I had everything covered but I'm obviously missing a trick or five

Thank you

Red-Squirrel_2

GwylimT wrote: »

That really isn't true, when in the UK the only processed food we bought was tomato puree. We fed a family of four (with two coeliacs) for around £40 per month. This included breakfast, lunch/packup and our evening meal and we always got our five a day.

Eating processed foods is much more expensive.

£40 a month? For four?

£10 for one person's food for an entire month? 31 days? Healthy and nutritionally complete?

I find this really hard to believe I'm afraid, can you post more details because if its true then your secret will really help a lot of people on here!