Can you make someone else lose weight?

Pollycat

Anoneemoose wrote: »

And YOU are one of the minority then, which is why you think it 'works'. But science (not my opinion) tells us that MOST PEOPLE will not 'be successful' at losing and keeping the weight off and that MOST PEOPLE would be better off not attempting weight loss in the first place.

I don't 'think' it works, I know it worked - for me.

Anoneemoose wrote: »

And just for emphasis, that is not to say eating a well balanced diet and moving in ways which feel good to a person won't benefit someone's health. Since I stopped dieting, my weight has stabilised long term for the first time in over 2 decades. Without counting a single calorie, point, syn or carb. It's amazing what our bodies can do when we let them. "The more you try to control your weight, the more out of control your weight becomes. Stop trying to control. Let your weight regulate itself, it doesn't need your help." Taken from

https://peacefuleating.co.uk

I'm not trying to control my weight.
I know what I can eat (and drink), I don't eat to excess.
We rarely have takeaways.
I eat chocolate rarely, ditto biscuits, cakes never.
I know how to cook healthy meals.
And I really don't need a 'intuitive eating counsellor' to give me advice on eating habits.
I can understand why you do/did but not everyone has had a bad relationship with food.

Anoneemoose wrote: »

Out of interest, did you follow the plan to the letter?

I rarely had the 'sins'.
I could do without whether I was doing 'red' day or 'green' day.
As above, I didn't, don't and never have craved sweet things.
I had the odd G&T (slimline).

I'm not sure if that's following the plan to the letter.

SuperPikachu

Anoneemoose wrote: »

https://peacefuleating.co.uk

Is this a sort of food 'mindfulness' ?

Anoneemoose

Pollycat wrote: »

I don't 'think' it works, I know it worked - for me.

I'm not trying to control my weight.
I know what I can eat (and drink), I don't eat to excess.
We rarely have takeaways.
I eat chocolate rarely, ditto biscuits, cakes never.
I know how to cook healthy meals.
And I really don't need a 'intuitive eating counsellor' to give me advice on eating habits.
I can understand why you do/did but not everyone has had a bad relationship with food.



I rarely had the 'sins'.
I could do without whether I was doing 'red' day or 'green' day.
As above, I didn't, don't and never have craved sweet things.
I had the odd G&T (slimline).

I'm not sure if that's following the plan to the letter.

I never said YOU needed an intuitive eating counselor now did I? I quoted what I did to emphasise the point that it is not necessary to try and control one's weight. And I added the link out of courtesy to the person who originally wrote it.

I get that it 'worked' for YOU. How many times, YOU are the minority. I asked if you followed it to the letter because I have read so many stories of people who attribute their weight loss to SW, when in fact, they just cut down on processed stuff, even the stuff that SW promote. Meaning SW shouldn't take the 'credit' for it it. Obviously you will defend SW in your circumstances.

You're going on about how it 'worked' for you, I have not disputed that, but look at it this way..say you had something wrong with you and you had to have a procedure that was proven to only have between a 5% and 20% 'success rate', with the added complication of the fact that if you do go for the procedure, you will likely be worse off than if you had not had it, would most people go for it?? I highly doubt it.

And no, not everyone has a bad relationship with food. But THE MAIN cause of disordered eating is DIETING. I never had a bad relationship with food UNTIL I dieted. And now I don't have a bad relationship with again now I have stopped dieting.

Anoneemoose

Greatorex1987 wrote: »

Is this a sort of food 'mindfulness' ?

I suppose it is, yes. It's a website I found extremely helpful when I gave up dieting, and Vania, the lady whose website it is does some amazing work.

I'm not sure if you're asking because it's something you're interested in, but there are lots of other free resources out there too that I can link to.

SuperPikachu

Anoneemoose wrote: »

I suppose it is, yes. It's a website I found extremely helpful when I gave up dieting, and Vania, the lady whose website it is does some amazing work.

I'm not sure if you're asking because it's something you're interested in, but there are lots of other free resources out there too that I can link to.

Yes just curious, I am reading a mindfulness book at the moment, but it is more to do with anxiety/stress. I think I am ok with dieting though, since I did what I wrote earlier (literally do not buy any crap. Just veg/fruit/meat) but I think I will go take a look at some of her videos still.

Anoneemoose

Greatorex1987 wrote: »

Yes just curious, I am reading a mindfulness book at the moment, but it is more to do with anxiety/stress. I think I am ok with dieting though, since I did what I wrote earlier (literally do not buy any crap. Just veg/fruit/meat) but I think I will go take a look at some of her videos still.

One simple experiment I did last year was with some pieces of fudge (homemade ). I cut one square into four tiny pieces and did an exercise where I ate them mindfully. I couldn't even finish the third piece! Normally I would eat my homemade fudge by inhaling it!:rotfl:

It sounds like you're doing what feels natural for you. And if you're happy with it then that's fab. The thing with intuitive eating is it is not a weight loss method. More a method to find peace with food and your body, regardless of its size. Having said that, a lot of people who practise intuitive eating find their weight lowers eventually, without effort.

Fireflyaway

No, you can't make someone lose weight. Maybe they might take your advice on board if they see its going to benefit but they have to be committed and want to do it. I once saw a woman on TV. She had cancer moist likely caused by smoking and had to have surgery which meant she then had a tracheotomy. Despite having to breath through a hole in her neck she carried on smoking through that hole! It doesn't matter what you say, what threats you make, what advice you give. A person will only make changes when they are ready.
The only thing that might help is encouragement and maybe adopting healthier eating and exercise together.

Tabbytabitha

Pollycat wrote: »

Yes, they do charge less for for larger amounts of mince.
500gms of lean steak mince (5% fat) £4.00 = £8.00 per kg
250gms of lean steak mince (5% fat) £2.50 = £10.00 per kg
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/search?query=minced%20beef&icid=tescohp_sws-1_minced%20beef

Some butchers do cheaper deals for larger quantities, at least the ones in my area do.

Cheapest 2.5 kg bag of potatoes 54p per kg in Tesco.
Some people (from reading the various 'use by'/'best before' threads) wouldn't feel 'safe' buying a big bag of potatoes in case they don't use them up before the date so would pay more than that per kg for a smaller amount.

I agree with your second paragraph.

Apologies, I must have been having a senior moment to have missed that when I looked.

Tabbytabitha

jack_pott wrote: »

That's like comparing the cost of a burger from McDonalds. My home cooked meals are less than a third of those prices, but here's the point: the processed meals are 30% cheaper again!


I buy 1kg packs of mince, and the cheapest potatoes.

I know I've just confessed to a senior moment which doesn't bode well for the point I'm about to make but....

I get that your home cooked meals are a third of the Tesco ready meals ( i.e.. around £1.65) but how can the ready meals then be 30% less ( i.e. £1.17)? That doesn't make any sense.
And I definitely don't see where McDonald's comes into things.

Mrs_Ryan

Anoneemoose wrote: »

And forl each of those target members, there will be many more who didn't get to target or who got to target and then regained. Like the Woman of the Year who was on that Channel 4 documentary.

Many will believe in SW. I did once upon a time too, so I understand why it seems attractive. And it worked for me, many times. Until I became obsessed with syns and thinking if I happened to eat a wholesome full fat yogurt with nuts and honey that I would be 'bad' because it wasn't a processed mullerlight that was 'free'.

Losing weight is relatively easy, keeping it off is the difficult bit. And as I said, there are plenty of studies that show between 80/95% of people who diet, WILL regain the weight. It doesn't matter whether that's SW, WW or any of the other diet plans out there. And of those 80/95%, 2/3 will regain even more weight.

I’m doing SW at the moment but I’m not brainwashed by it. I don’t eat Mullerlights, however if I were to eat what you suggest is the ideal thing to eat in that situation I would be physically sick as I cannot tolerate the texture of nuts and I hate honey (I’ve got issues with food phobias and problems with my gag reflex following an assault)

I believe you quoted that ideal SW food is all processed- take a look at today’s menu and tell me that it’s all processed rubbish!
Breakfast was bran flakes with milk and fruit (I need the fibre and calcium as I’m menopausal) lunch was a chicken salad and fruit. Dinner will be bolognaise made with mince, tomato puree and veg.
What’s wrong with that? I’m comfortable with that.
Anyone told me that it’s all rubbish and I should be eating nuts, avocados and whole yoghurts with honey I would frankly rather starve as it would make me incredibly sick if I did.

I don’t eat Mullerlights, Mug Shots, Diet Coke Chicken (I don’t drink any diet drinks or consume them in any way as a matter of course- I might have the very occasional can of Sainsbury’s own no Added Sugar diet drinks but that’s the exception rather than the rule) or mushy pea curry. I drink 2 litres of plain water per day. I do like the odd HiFi bar but I might stress- the odd one. I have the odd Light and Free yoghurt as well but I don’t eat 15 of them a day as suggested that SW members do with Mullerlights. I do eat quite a lot of Quark which I believe is a good source of protein- but I used to eat that when I wasn’t on SW!

My mum lost weight with SW- she lost 11 stone and went to a size 10. 10 years later- she’s a huge- size 12. Yes she’s put a little back on but that’s because she was diagnosed with haemochromatosis and has had to change her diet radically.

If I want a treat, i’ll have it- as I did on my birthday and graduation days when I went off plan and throughly enjoyed it!
Ps I’m sorry but I looked at at that peaceful eating website where she burbles on about being a qualified this that and the other and I’m sorry but all she is a qualified charlatan, parting desperate people with large amounts of cash! £1800 for 18 sessions- that’s £100 a session just to be told ‘oh yes you’re okay the way you are!’ Sorry but i’ll stick to paying a fiver a pop to get weighed. I worked in mental health long enough to spot a charlatan and she well and truly is one! I’m open minded enough to consider pretty much anything but I’m always suspicious where large amounts of cash are involved and it seems like a bit of a scam to me.