Can you make someone else lose weight?

Pollycat

Anoneemoose wrote: »

This is the most comprehensive, easy to read link I have found. I have previously had access to the full thing. This is a meta analysis of other studies. One of the most eye opening findings is that one of the biggest risk factors for obesity is having previously dieted.

http://www.dishlab.org/pubs/2013%20Compass.pdf

And this...

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/Dieting-Does-Not-Work-UCLA-Researchers-7832

Do either of these specifically mention Slimming World as opposed to diets in general?
Because it was Slimming world that we were discussing:

Anoneemoose wrote: »

And forl each of those target members, there will be many more who didn't get to target or who got to target and then regained. Like the Woman of the Year who was on that Channel 4 documentary.

Many will believe in SW. I did once upon a time too, so I understand why it seems attractive. And it worked for me, many times. Until I became obsessed with syns and thinking if I happened to eat a wholesome full fat yogurt with nuts and honey that I would be 'bad' because it wasn't a processed mullerlight that was 'free'.

Losing weight is relatively easy, keeping it off is the difficult bit. And as I said, there are plenty of studies that show between 80/95% of people who diet, WILL regain the weight. It doesn't matter whether that's SW, WW or any of the other diet plans out there. And of those 80/95%, 2/3 will regain even more weight.

isplumm specifically mentioned Slimming World:

isplumm wrote: »

Have you actually tried SW - definitely no calorie counting ... it is a lifestyle change .... seems to work for a lot of people.

Mark

And the first part of the 2nd link says:

Will you lose weight and keep it off if you diet? No, probably not, UCLA researchers report in the April issue of American Psychologist, the journal of the American Psychological Association.
“You can initially lose 5 to 10 percent of your weight on any number of diets, but then the weight comes back,” said Traci Mann, UCLA associate professor of psychology and lead author of the study. “We found that the majority of people regained all the weight, plus more. Sustained weight loss was found only in a small minority of participants, while complete weight regain was found in the majority. Diets do not lead to sustained weight loss or health benefits for the majority of people.”

I'll repeat:

Pollycat wrote: »

I'd say it's worth the OP's OH trying SW (and from later posts it seems like they are both going to do it) because as it is right now, he's in a very dangerous place health-wise.

He may turn out to be in that minority.

Anoneemoose

Pollycat wrote: »

Do either of these specifically mention Slimming World as opposed to diets in general?
Because it was Slimming world that we were discussing:

isplumm specifically mentioned Slimming World:

And the first part of the 2nd link says:
I'll repeat:

He may turn out to be in that minority.

Slimming World IS a diet, however you want to dress it up, therefore the link is relevant. It is a calorie controlled diet. And I know that specifically, because the first line of the training manual I received when I became a consultant for them, said so.

You asked me to provide stats showing 'the majority', I did that. I have never said 'all'. But I believe the 'majority' is enough to prove dieting doesn't work long term. And as the information also points out, as I said in my PP, one of the biggest risk factors for obesity is having previously dieted.

In addition, OP has already said her hubby has 'tried dieting' before, including SW as has recently been added to the post.

You're absolutely right about some people being in the minority, sadly, based on OP's hubby's previous attempts at weigt loss, it is unlikely he will be in that minority.

And just in case you overlooked the fact I said eating a well balanced diet and exercise is the way to go (regardless of weight lost), I am saying it again.

OP, it is entirely yours and your hubby's choice in what direction you take, but it might be worth checking out 'Intuitive Eating' and Health as Every Size. If he still wants to go down the dieting route, I wish you and him all the best.

pollypenny

Slimming World is a business, a very profitable one.

Why give someone money when you can work things out yourself. Having said that, DD did buy Michael Mosley's book for us, then I have bought subsequent 5:2 recipe books. No ongoing cost though or 'syns'.

FBaby

The difference between dieting and healthy eating is nothing more than how much you cut vs how quickly you want to lose the weight. If you want to lose 1 stone in two months so that you can feel better on holiday, then yes, you are likely to put it all back on when you come back and don't care as much any longer.

If however you are prepared to be patient and accept that it is about sustaining loss weight, then you make the changes slowly. You then get to the point when you should feel free to enjoy the full fat yogurt on Thursday evening, but on Friday, you won't have the glass of wine you normally enjoy.

Anoneemoose

pollypenny wrote: »

Slimming World is a business, a very profitable one.

Why give someone money when you can work things out yourself. Having said that, DD did buy Michael Mosley's book for us, then I have bought subsequent 5:2 recipe books. No ongoing cost though or 'syns'.

And it is so profitable because it's the perfect business model. It has people repeatedly rejoining.

I also want to point out, I do actually believe that when Margaret Miles-Bramwell started SW in 1969, she probably did so with very good intentions.

thriftylass

MothballsWallet wrote: »

In this country:

Junk/processed food = cheap
Healthy food = expensive

Why aren't all these nutritionists and health advisors do something about that as well?

iammumtoone wrote: »

^^ is a big problem. I think a while back there was talk about banning BOGOFs etc on sugar laden foods. But the answer is not to put the price up on junk food but to reduce the price of heathly food or at least do one in conjunction with the other.

Not true. Buying fruit, veg, grains, lean meat etc is not more expensive. Try Aldi, Lidl and even Iceland/Farmfoods have a good range now. Just need to be bothered to actually cook. Check out Jack Munroe's recipes, healthy on a shoe string.

Pollycat

Anoneemoose wrote: »

Slimming World IS a diet, however you want to dress it up, therefore the link is relevant. It is a calorie controlled diet. And I know that specifically, because the first line of the training manual I received when I became a consultant for them, said so.

I believe I've never stated it isn't a diet.
However, I also believe if you embrace it and change the way you eat for the rest of your life, not just until you reach your goal weight, it works for a lot of people.

I'm somewhat reluctant to believe that SW is a calorie controlled diet simply on your say-so as you are obviously so vehemently against SW.
Maybe someone who is/has been a consultant could confirm your claim.

As for Slimming World, there's lots of people who've been successful and continue to be successful on this thread:
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5736513

Anoneemoose wrote: »

You asked me to provide stats showing 'the majority', I did that. I have never said 'all'. But I believe the 'majority' is enough to prove dieting doesn't work long term. And as the information also points out, as I said in my PP, one of the biggest risk factors for obesity is having previously dieted.

In addition, OP has already said her hubby has 'tried dieting' before, including SW as has recently been added to the post.

You're absolutely right about some people being in the minority, sadly, based on OP's hubby's previous attempts at weigt loss, it is unlikely he will be in that minority.

With every majority there is a minority.
It depends if the OP's OH is willing to wise up and accept just how much he is risking by being so overweight.

Some people do actually have self control and determination.

SuperPikachu

Don't buy any chocolate, crisps, snacks, sugary cereals, fizzy drinks etc.

Throw away any you have in the bin. You don't need that rubbish anyway.

Stock up on lots of fruit, veg, pasta/rice and meat when you do your shop.

Ban him from buying food when he is out (or don't let him take any money to work etc)

Then he will have no choice but to eat healthy stuff when he gets hungry

thriftylass

Greatorex1987 wrote: »

Don't buy any chocolate, crisps, snacks, sugary cereals, fizzy drinks etc.

Throw away any you have in the bin. You don't need that rubbish anyway.

Stock up on lots of fruit, veg, pasta/rice and meat when you do your shop.

Ban him from buying food when he is out (or don't let him take any money to work etc)

Then he will have no choice but to eat healthy stuff when he gets hungry

Like that's going to work with a grown up husband. Starting to control his life like that will just backfire. Small changes, even done together are more effective than treating him like a child.

SuperPikachu

thriftylass wrote: »

Like that's going to work with a grown up husband. Starting to control his life like that will just backfire. Small changes, even done together are more effective than treating him like a child.

Well I am a man and I did this to myself and it is working.

Saying 'it won't work' isn't going to get anything done is it?