Can you make someone else lose weight?

thriftylass

Greatorex1987 wrote: »

Well I am a man and I did this to myself and it is working.

Saying 'it won't work' isn't going to get anything done is it?

I meant more the wife taking away the husband's money and such like to control his eating (sorry if I read the post wrong but it sounded like the OP - the wife- should implement the listed changes). You did this to yourself, well done and good self control. All I meant is that it has to come from him too. Someone else can't control these factors for him if he doesn't was this.

Pollycat

Greatorex1987 wrote: »

Well I am a man and I did this to myself and it is working.

Saying 'it won't work' isn't going to get anything done is it?

There's a big difference between deciding for yourself that you're not going to buy any chocolate, crisps, snacks, sugary cereals, fizzy drinks etc. and telling someone else that they can't buy food when they are out and can't take any money to work.

Anoneemoose

Pollycat wrote: »

I believe I've never stated it isn't a diet.
However, I also believe if you embrace it and change the way you eat for the rest of your life, not just until you reach your goal weight, it works for a lot of people.

I'm somewhat reluctant to believe that SW is a calorie controlled diet simply on your say-so as you are obviously so vehemently against SW.
Maybe someone who is/has been a consultant could confirm your claim.

As for Slimming World, there's lots of people who've been successful and continue to be successful on this thread:
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5736513


With every majority there is a minority.
It depends if the OP's OH is willing to wise up and accept just how much he is risking by being so overweight.

Some people do actually have self control and determination.

So, if you didn't say "SW isn't a diet", what was the point of the comment about the links I posted? I only pointed out that it was a diet so you could appreciate the link is relevant. I so wish my training manual hadn't met its demise in a house fire. My mum kept it for years in the loft. I would have posted it, but sadly I can't. Although of course it's calorie controlled. That's the only way a body will release weight without surgery. Just because people don't have to count calories while doing it, does not mean it's not calorie controlled.

You are incorrect, I am vehemently again ALL diets, not just SW. SW 'bears the brunt' of my vehemence because it is, in my opinion, the worst of the lot. It disguises itself as 'healthy eating'. As I mentioned above, a diet that peddles processed food, like mullerlights (who have financial links to SW), frylight, mug shots, mushy pea curry, diet coke chicken, hi-fi bars etc etc, is not healthy. Just because you can eat whole foods on Sw, doesn't make it good. You can eat whole foods without dieting.

I have also read the thread you linked to. There are 17 target members names on the first page, only 3 of whom have been at target 'long term', with most being in the last year. I also note most of the 'progress' numbers. I would bet my mortgage on the majority of these conveniently forgetting the loss/regains they have had before. I have also dipped into some of the posts and can see they confirm the point I made. "Today was good until...", "eating out can be so difficult...". It's this sort of mindset that creates problems. There is no such thing as good food or bad food. Eating mindfully, when hungry, will bring about more benefits than ANY diet. From a mental health as well as physical health point of view.

If you think weight control is about 'self control and determination', you really need educating on the subject.

This is a good video to start with:

https://youtu.be/jn0Ygp7pMbA

SuperPikachu

Pollycat wrote: »

There's a big difference between deciding for yourself that you're not going to buy any chocolate, crisps, snacks, sugary cereals, fizzy drinks etc. and telling someone else that they can't buy food when they are out and can't take any money to work.

Didn't realise this was the Pollycat thread, I just went back a few pages!

I threw an idea to the OP, she can decide what she wants to do about it from all the other help. I'm not here to debate with you.

[Deleted User]

Tabbytabitha wrote: »

Well, I've just checked Tesco's site and their ready meals are £2.50 each (dearer for their Finest range). Even cooking for 1 person, it wouldn't cost me £2.50per portion to knock up a lasagne/shepherd's pie/ curry or a home made stew etc, with greater savings if cooking for a family. That's obviously based on cost alone but you'd cook those things more healthily if that was important to you.

That's like comparing the cost of a burger from McDonalds. My home cooked meals are less than a third of those prices, but here's the point: the processed meals are 30% cheaper again!

Pollycat wrote: »

It depends how you 'home cook'.
If you buy a 250gm pack of mince and a small bag of potatoes to make a shepherd's pie, it will be more expensive per portion than buying a 1kg pack of mince and a big bag of potatoes and batch cooking.

I buy 1kg packs of mince, and the cheapest potatoes.

martinsurrey

jack_pott wrote: »

No it isn't. You can 'prove' anything if you cherry-pick one item to suit your argument.

I've just checked 25 of the meals I eat, (12 processed, 13 home cooked) and the home cooked ones are 43% more expensive on average.

Here's the same conclusion from Cambridge University, except that they found that the healthiest foodstuffs were even more expensive:

"The mean 2012 price/1000 kcal was £2.50 for less healthy items and £7.49 for more healthy items."

The idea that it's easy to eat healthily on a budget is just another of the many ways in which the poor are made to look lazy.

(My homemade cottage pie costs more than double the average for my diet as a whole.)

the link is looking at the 94 items in the RPI calc, not a weighted average in actual usage looking at budget.

For example olive oil is in the list, and was no doubt given "healthy", and 1000 cal of olive oil is quite expensive, but you don't use it in that volume, you use it with cheap carrots, which are £1.11 for 1000cal and potatoes which are 59p per 1000cal

lets run some numbers.

ready meal shepards pies are 50% potato, with about 10% meat, the rest is veg and gravy.

onions

carrots

potatoes
(2 lots)

mince

peas

gravey grans

add in 50p for some herbs and spices (only use some of the packet) and you get 8.2kg of home made shepherds pie for £8.51 (after factoring in cutting waste ).

So a 400g shepards pie for 41p.

half the price of the cheapest ready meal

now 8.2kg of Shepards pie is a bit too much, but the ingredients above are standard across whole menus, and will keep for a while frozen.

Pollycat

Anoneemoose wrote: »

If you think weight control is about 'self control and determination', you really need educating on the subject.

I'll leave you with this comment:
weight control is about 'self control and determination' for me personally.

I lost weight following the SW diet.
Not by attending classes but by reading the books and adapting my own recipes.
I lost almost 3 stone and at the same time I exercised quite a lot.
I've kept all but half a stone off - and that was 14 years ago, even though I have a less active lifestyle now.
And I've recently started to shift that extra 7lbs as a result of watching my alcohol units.
I exercise every day so I do realise the importance of exercise.

I regret that it didn't work for you.
But that doesn't mean it hasn't, doesn't and won't work for other people.

Greatorex1987 wrote: »

Didn't realise this was the Pollycat thread, I just went back a few pages!

It isn't.

Greatorex1987 wrote: »

I threw an idea to the OP, she can decide what she wants to do about it from all the other help. I'm not here to debate with you.

Posters are allowed to say if they disagree with someone else's comment.
And I wasn't the only one who disagreed.

Anoneemoose

Pollycat wrote: »

I'll leave you with this comment:
weight control is about 'self control and determination' for me personally.

I lost weight following the SW diet.
Not by attending classes but by reading the books and adapting my own recipes.
I lost almost 3 stone and at the same time I exercised quite a lot.
I've kept all but half a stone off - and that was 14 years ago, even though I have a less active lifestyle now.
And I've recently started to shift that extra 7lbs as a result of watching my alcohol units.
I exercise every day so I do realise the importance of exercise.

I regret that it didn't work for you.
But that doesn't mean it hasn't, doesn't and won't work for other people.


It isn't.

Posters are allowed to say if they disagree with someone else's comment.
And I wasn't the only one who disagreed.

And YOU are one of the minority then, which is why you think it 'works'. But science (not my opinion) tells us that MOST PEOPLE will not 'be successful' at losing and keeping the weight off and that MOST PEOPLE would be better off not attempting weight loss in the first place.

And just for emphasis, that is not to say eating a well balanced diet and moving in ways which feel good to a person won't benefit someone's health. Since I stopped dieting, my weight has stabilised long term for the first time in over 2 decades. Without counting a single calorie, point, syn or carb. It's amazing what our bodies can do when we let them. "The more you try to control your weight, the more out of control your weight becomes. Stop trying to control. Let your weight regulate itself, it doesn't need your help." Taken from

https://peacefuleating.co.uk


Out of interest, did you follow the plan to the letter?

svain

Greatorex1987 wrote: »

Don't buy any chocolate, crisps, snacks, sugary cereals, fizzy drinks etc.

Throw away any you have in the bin. You don't need that rubbish anyway.

Stock up on lots of fruit, veg, pasta/rice and meat when you do your shop.

Ban him from buying food when he is out (or don't let him take any money to work etc)

Then he will have no choice but to eat healthy stuff when he gets hungry

I do agree with this ... (to a point) ... If its not in the house it cant be eaten ... It really isnt rocket science. Keep the glutenous stuff out .. eg chocolate, sweets, biscuits etc and its a huge start to the battle .... However i dont agree with replacing with anything for snacking reasons .... I think a better aim is that your body doesnt crave any kind of food on between meals and it wont once it acclimatises to the reduced volume.

Anoneemoose

svain wrote: »

I do agree with this ... (to a point) ... If its not in the house it cant be eaten ... It really isnt rocket science. Keep the glutenous stuff out .. eg chocolate, sweets, biscuits etc and its a huge start to the battle .... However i dont agree with replacing with anything for snacking reasons .... I think a better aim is that your body doesnt crave any kind of food on between meals and it wont once it acclimatises to the reduced volume.

The thing is, if you eat mindfully and not restrict this sort of thing, they become less appealing. So you don't need to keep them out of the house.

While I was dieting, I couldn't sleep if there was chocolate or sweets or ice cream or cake in the house. Now I listen to my body and eat when I am hungry, these things can be in the cupboard for months without me even giving them a thought. It's the demonsing of food that makes it seem so appealing.

When we honour our hunger and nourish our body, it does actually tell us what we need. When I first gave up dieting, I was convinced I would eat myself into oblivion. I didn't. And now my diet is much healthier, more varied, and more home cooked than it's ever been. (Well, since before starting to diet at 19).