Bad News Guys Orange to start changing 07744 and 07755

redux

hpuse wrote: »

This discussion is going out of propotion here, and seeing my posts as personal attacks are one way of natural self-defense.

Sometimes, reading your posts gives me good laugh my friend Redux, company directors are legal entities in books and how will a lawyer use his pen to classify and attach it as a personal insult even if I publish my name on someone' request. So lets not get there.
I think the directors already have huge mess to sort out anyway!

Get this right - I am not seeing your abuse as a personal attack on me, as I have nothing to do with these companies.

However, your incomplete knowledge about any of this does not entitle you to allegations (some of which I note have been removed) of criminal behaviour, so it is somewhat odd that you are the one now complaining that things are out of proportion.

These numbers were subject to contractual arrangements between the various companies, and those arrangements have now changed.

There are some other disputes about proposed termination charges at the moment. Although T-mobile are blocking certain other numbers now, none of us has heard them allege criminal action on the part of 3 such companies, just propaganda in one case that the charges are not warranted to be so high. In addition T-mobile has apparently made new agreements about 07755 numbers.

So it simply doesn't make sense that you persist in this line of argument on behalf of the main networks when they are not doing so themselves. The continuing naive smears that there is misconduct involved, based on mostly guesswork and vestigial facts like two company names, isn't useful or informative to anyone here.

Until you hijacked the subject with this mysterious agenda, this thread was mostly about people discussing how such changes affected their contractual arrangements with their mobile supplier, and what they could do about it. Let it continue that way, instead of implying they would also be in the wrong.

hpuse

Show me a provider (dial abroad, simply phone ...et all ) that is still in trading and advertising 07744 number for international dialling. Forget free x-net minutes, I'm ready to pay for them!

Since your posts claim to have much deeper info regarding these companies operations; answer me these simple questions:

- Why have different 07744/55 brands disappeared from the scene all-in-one go??
- What happened to their websites??
- If it's just a contract issue they have with airtime/mobile companies, why take 'free 07744 x-net mins' factual advertised information away ??
- Listen carefully Redux, I do understand that there is a sense of urgency in your posts to paint to the general public here that my information is incorrect. But I don't have to enter into a battle with my keyboard for vice-verca, time itself will prove (recall another discussion that we had around 2 months ago)

Exploiting a loophole and providing advertisement to a targeted consumer segment could be classified as illegal based on trading standards and applicable industry regulations. My information posted is NOT incorrect and I have verified it.

Now you have to challenge me on that with "sustainable facts" rather than using complex Oxford english that these 07744 operators were simply NOT perpetuating fraud.
I provided real time information about these companies which are freely available in the public domain to anyone, which you reported as abuse (fair enough !...its an urgent matter, right ?)

I solicit an honest discussion from you as it appears like you are somehow connected with these companies. Once again, no personal insult or attack intended, what so ever. Get this right first.

redux wrote: »

Get this right - I am not seeing your abuse as a personal attack on me, as I have nothing to do with these companies.

However, your incomplete knowledge about any of this does not entitle you to allegations (some of which I note have been removed) of criminal behaviour, so it is somewhat odd that you are the one now complaining that things are out of proportion.

These numbers were subject to contractual arrangements between the various companies, and those arrangements have now changed.

There are some other disputes about proposed termination charges at the moment. Although T-mobile are blocking certain other numbers now, none of us has heard them allege criminal action on the part of 3 such companies, just propaganda in one case that the charges are not warranted to be so high. In addition T-mobile has apparently made new agreements about 07755 numbers.

So it simply doesn't make sense that you persist in this line of argument on behalf of the main networks when they are not doing so themselves. The continuing naive smears that there is misconduct involved, based on mostly guesswork and vestigial facts like two company names, isn't useful or informative to anyone here.

Until you hijacked the subject with this mysterious agenda, this thread was mostly about people discussing how such changes affected their contractual arrangements with their mobile supplier, and what they could do about it. Let it continue that way, instead of implying they would also be in the wrong.

Ube_Astard

Just spoke to someone at Orange and apparantly you can only cancel if your 07744 calls make up 2.5% of your bills.

MrGreen

Ube_Astard wrote: »

Just spoke to someone at Orange and apparantly you can only cancel if your 07744 calls make up 2.5% of your bills.

I was given the same figure when I called, my bills will increase by more than this amount, so was allowed to cancel

magic

why does it sound like orange are just making this up as they go along? it doesnt mention anything in their terms and conditions about increases of 2.5% allowing you to cancel...

redux

hpuse wrote: »

I solicit an honest discussion from you as it appears like you are somehow connected with these companies.

This thread is supposed to be about people helping each other, not random figments of your imagination.


Once again, I say this - I have absolutely no connection whatsoever with these companies.

So quit the false accusations against me, and the veiled hint that I am attempting to mislead anybody.



As you remind us of your previous posts on this subject, let it be pointed out that though these changes have now occurred, that does not vindicate your previous accusations and fabrications on the matter.

You asked back then for numbers in continuous use for more than a couple of months (and promised to drop the whole matter if there were any - fat chance)

Posting particular ones as disproof of your suggestion might have been deemed to be promoting particular companies here, but it is fair to say that some of them had then been in continuous use for 2 or 3 years. Whilst some provider websites occasionally changed their published ones, all the old main provider ones (including those saved in my phones a couple of years ago) were still working, contrary to your invention that those had been barred and new ones cynically sprung up in their place.


Why take away the website remarks about 07744 numbers coming from inclusive minutes, you ask .

Because they no longer are from inclusive minutes, following recent decisions by T-mobile and by Orange, which unsurprisingly is the main reason for this thread.

This is generic to all such numbers, and simultaneously applied on the relevant dates **, rather counter to your previous implications that every individual number had to be found and rooted out by the main networks, and either changed tariff or barred, then were sneakily replaced by these dodgy operators, and hence your position now that at last the game is up for them. Nobody else on this forum, incuding Martin Lewis himself, has ever said that they had experienced any such results or suspected this policy.

As for your removed remarks, you are pulling the wool over people's eyes here. Saying that company directors should be in jail is not fact or so-called real-time information, it is opinion, it is conjecture, and a smear.

The fact that one company had been wound up was very likely nothing to do with these matters at all, but left over from beforehand, the extinction of the Dolphin network, and your claimed insight that this implied well-planned fly-by-night operators is ludicrous. Perhaps you should write to the Receivers with your concerns; I doubt they'll be amused by your hints at their negligence, but they might politely point out that it usually takes them months or years to finally wind down a company.

If T-mobile see fit to follow your advice and pursue any such actions for fraud, they have certainly not said so yet, but it seems rather less than likely - instead they have a new agreement with the provider that has all the numbers, and calls are still possible. In fact for T-mobile pay-as-you-go customers, international call possibilities have never been cheaper, from 3 pence a minute.


** the websites of Yourcallworld, Simply-Fone and PlanetTalkFree, which between them and their resellers and affiliates had almost all of the market, and have not closed down and done a runner as you falsely allege, all publish information about T-mobile and Orange's recent changes

slenderkitten

i dont understand are these international calling cards or what, as far as i am concerned orange charges everyone if you call or text international numbers?

help

Ypaymore

slenderkitten wrote: »

i dont understand are these international calling cards or what, as far as i am concerned orange charges everyone if you call or text international numbers?

help

No their Intl Access Numbers which USE TO BE included in your inclusive contract X- Net minutes.

rocket111

Don't be fooled by Orange's scam by illegally trying to capture personal information by claiming it's required under law, their favourite phrase 'the data protection act'. This act says NOTHING about forcing or requiring a customer to disclose personal information such a name, address or date of birth. - Orange are illegally procuring information by coercing pay as you go customers into handing over private information even if they don't want to.

The act only relates to date they already hold or data you wish to disclose on a voluntary basis, and is there to regulate how they process and protect your information. In actual fact the act can be used to demand they delete your information - the act provides for severe penalties for a company that refuses to remove or amend the information at your request.

The problem at Orange is their crappy call centres in India get a commission every time a 'registration' is completed. This is their motive. They will often try to trick you by saying they can't switch off voicemail or change your plan unless you register. This is not the case. You only have to establish and quote a 4 digit pin number that you should be texted once you start using your phone. Any other reasons are just their staff trying to data mine.

If your data is captured illegally or you are tricked/blackmailed by the company into giving it, just contact the Information Commissioners office, (IC0) which is a part of the UK Ministry of Justice. They will investigate any refusal by Orange to remove or change data, even if the data is correct or incorrect. The very storing and processing of your data without your consent or if you have withdrawn your permission at any time requires them to comply with your request.

Calling 0800 079 0006 is free, even from an orange mobile, but you will end up talking to idiots who claim they can't understand or don't speak English when it suits them, apart from when they want revenue..then they speak great English. Email or call their headquaters or going in person to their office in George St, central london, (near Baker St tube) should have the problem sorted. The Baker St office where the executives are is 020 7984 1888 or 6. Demand they remove your data or you will refer it to the ICO. If you have an email or letter in writing forward it to the ICO so they can investigate the refusal or you can also contact OFCOM.

Also moving from Orange is easy, just request a PAC code which they are legally obliged to provide you with. This code lets you keep your number but switch networks. Use it and go to any other company that will respect your privacy.