Flight delay and cancellation compensation, Jet2.com ONLY

JPears

Titan crew as well? Maybe Jet2 have to lease the whole package?
In which case, if there's a delay who is the claim against?

I would have thought jet2 as the aircraft is actually listed as part of their fleet.

NoviceAngel

JPears wrote: »

if there's a delay who is the claim against?

I would have thought jet2 as the aircraft is actually listed as part of their fleet.

I did ponder this question at the time, I didn’t want to post it though, I didn’t want Tyzap calling me a Tike as well lol.


I’ll go the other way and say if it was operated by Titan employees on befhalf of J2 under a possible long term leasing arrangement then it would be Titan that would be responsible for any delay. Historically we’ve always said it’s the operator of the flight - regardless of who you booked with.

jpsartre

NoviceAngel wrote: »

I’ll go the other way and say if it was operated by Titan employees on befhalf of J2 under a possible long term leasing arrangement then it would be Titan that would be responsible for any delay.

I don't think so. In general, the operational responsibility lies with the airline that decided to operate the flight, regardless of whether or not this airline then hired aircraft and crew elsewhere to carry out the operation.

NoviceAngel

jpsartre wrote: »

I don't think so. In general, the operational responsibility lies with the airline that decided to operate the flight, regardless of whether or not this airline then hired aircraft and crew elsewhere to carry out the operation.

Interesting point of view, I could be wrong with my reasoning and in the minority here.

As an aside, the Titan plane we flew on was G-POWH I guess that’s the same one still on lease to J2. It did have fancy blue LED mood lighting JP, you’re in for a treat if you get honoured with this beauty.

To add the eventual return flight was on G-LSAG a 31 year old aircraft originally from South China Airways But the first 15 rows had symbols for no smoking fasten seatbelts but the remainder of the plane had Chinese writing and English writing ? Is there such a thing as a ‘cut and shut’ plane surely not ?

In contrast to Titan this one had odd lighting, cold and warm white fluorescent tubes sporadically placed throughout the aircraft some of which flickered for a while and went out above us, truly a dreadful old worn out aircraft- welcome to the real world of J2.

JPears

Alas J2 need to keep these old dames going as much as possible as"newer" 757s aren't really available.
J2 need the capacity and distance these offer over the motley selection of 737s for several routes, until all the 34 new 737 800NGss are delivered and come into use.

767s are too large for J2s use although are a common platform for pilots using the 757.

jpsartre

@NoviceAngel: There was a recent ruling from the ECJ which clarifies what is meant by 'operating carrier'. There's a summary here:


https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2018-07/cp180100en.pdf

NoviceAngel

jpsartre wrote: »

@NoviceAngel: There was a recent ruling from the ECJ which clarifies what is meant by 'operating carrier'. There's a summary here:


https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2018-07/cp180100en.pdf

Thank you for posting that, and I’m happy to give up my argument! It’s a recent ruling July 18, so I guess the interpretation of the regs has recently changed, thanks again for clarifying that point, I’d previously always said it’s the operating airline and crew and NOT the company that you booked with that would have the responsibility. Does seem a bit weird though, so if Titans aircraft go faulty J2 have to pay compo because they are ultimately the operating carrier, actually that’s not a bad thing come to think of it!;)

jpsartre

NoviceAngel wrote: »

I’d previously always said it’s the operating airline and crew and NOT the company that you booked with that would have the responsibility.

That used to be my view too although the ruling says it's supposed to be in line with the regulations so obviously I was wrong all along. I don't think EU261 is clear on this question which I guess is why a clarification was needed. I think it's a good ruling though since it guarantees that people booking from an EU carrier are covered by EU261 even if the airline decides to hire another (possibly non-EU) airline to carry out operation of the flight.

JPears

Tyzap wrote: »

Rather than using 3rd party websites, which can be wrong, I use Planefinder to do a playback. You can go back years and its free. The flight back, from what the op said, was a B757, arriving at AGP from MAN and a delay time was also given (26 hrs). From that you deduct a rough time for the departure from AGP, I started search about 30 mins before the flight departed and then followed it back to LBA.

It's a simple but effective way of getting flight information, although it can take some time on occasions.

It's not a rerouting or a new flight because the original aircraft went tec and a replacement was brought in to operate that flight in its place, all be it very late. All the passengers from the first flight would have been transferred to the replacement. It's classed as a delayed flight which is why I posted yesterday, quoting the regs about the difference between a delayed and cancelled flight.

As I also pointed out, my case was very similar to this and was scrutinised at the very highest level by legal minds far superior to ours. They only allowed one claim, not that the question actually came up. On that basis I rest my case:)

Tyzap, loving messing around with Planefinder. However how do go back further than the dozen or so dates or flights offered?
Can you set the clock/date in the map window or something else?
Thanks in anticipation.

Tyzap

JPears wrote: »

Tyzap, loving messing around with Planefinder. However how do go back further than the dozen or so dates or flights offered?
Can you set the clock/date in the map window or something else?
Thanks in anticipation.

You cannot go back any further using it that way.

Use the playback facility and choose a date and time to start. You can use filters to sears for a particular airport, aircraft type etc.

As I said tho, it does take time, especially as you get used to it;)