right means right........right?

neilmcl

andy213 wrote: »

Oh and Neil, I drove to work today , it was lovely and clear, - clear enoguh for me to see the 8 foot plus high road signs indicating M1 is in the left and middle lanes only !

No, what you saw was markings showing that you should follow lanes 1 & 2 for the M1 and lane 3 for the A611. What you didn't see was a right-turn only sign on the outside lane. What you also didn't see was any markings preventing a driver from changing lanes from the outside to the middle lanes.

Happychappy

Hintza wrote: »

So who are you blaming on the queue jumping then? Will that be us Jocks or any other johhny foreigner?

Absolutely 100% definite, without any doubt, always the jocks fault :rotfl:

Happychappy

Andy213, get ready for March when they start work between J28 and 31 with the road widening to put four lanes in, temp 50 with Spec cameras and no hard shoulder, should hopefully only take TWO years !!

brat

I'm all for taking the line of least resistance, but if an incident was to arise where the driver trying to manoeuvre from the wrong lane for the exit into a queuing correct lane, then the lion's share of cause and blame will normally rest with the queue jumper. If you are attempting to put your car into a lane where another car is already established, you are completely reliant on the benevolent accommodating nature of the established driver, and you have no right to expect this. If there is no space to get in without forcing a gap or entering an inappropriate gap, then off you go round the roundabout.

Lum

I think a lot of this depends on the unique situation of each incident.

If someone gets in the wrong lane, then enters the roundabout into a gap which the person in the correct lane did not attempt, then the lane will be free and they can safely move across.

This one isn't too bad, and is sometimes necessary if you are stuck behind a hesitant driver who has missed a number of perfectly safe gaps. (I use three as a rule of thumb)

There is always the chance that this can backfire and this time the hesitant driver actually goes as well. In this situation you have a few options:

If nobody behind the roundabout entered, tuck in behind the slow driver.

If the roundabout is big enough, and the speed difference big enough, you might be able to pull in front, being sure to follow the old "do not cause other drivers to change speed and direction" rule. If you do this then you will be on your way without any delay to the hesitant driver and the people who are stuck behind them, other than shortening the queue by one car. I think this is what Strider is getting at, though he seems to take it to greater extremes than what I am personally comfortable with.

If you can't perform either of these options then congratulations, you screwed up, and now you need to go all the way around the roundabout for another go. Oh well, you win some, you lose some.

What you shouldn't do is pull in anyway with a 1 foot gap between you and the person you were trying to get past.

If that is what the OP is complaining about, I can understand that, even if I don't agree with their response to it. Two wrongs don't make a right, but they do double the chances of an accident.

andy213

Happychappy wrote: »

Andy213, get ready for March when they start work between J28 and 31 with the road widening to put four lanes in, temp 50 with Spec cameras and no hard shoulder, should hopefully only take TWO years !!

I've actually just about moved house so I am looking forward greatly to no more A610 though reckoning the M1 is unavoidable for work sometimes

note- not quiet sad enough to relocate just because I hate the A610, that's going too far, but I fear after March it may just about become a valid reason!!

photome

Lum wrote: »

I think a lot of this depends on the unique situation of each incident.

If someone gets in the wrong lane, then enters the roundabout into a gap which the person in the correct lane did not attempt, then the lane will be free and they can safely move across.

This one isn't too bad, and is sometimes necessary if you are stuck behind a hesitant driver who has missed a number of perfectly safe gaps. (I use three as a rule of thumb)

There is always the chance that this can backfire and this time the hesitant driver actually goes as well. In this situation you have a few options:

If nobody behind the roundabout entered, tuck in behind the slow driver.

If the roundabout is big enough, and the speed difference big enough, you might be able to pull in front, being sure to follow the old "do not cause other drivers to change speed and direction" rule. If you do this then you will be on your way without any delay to the hesitant driver and the people who are stuck behind them, other than shortening the queue by one car. I think this is what Strider is getting at, though he seems to take it to greater extremes than what I am personally comfortable with.

If you can't perform either of these options then congratulations, you screwed up, and now you need to go all the way around the roundabout for another go. Oh well, you win some, you lose some.

What you shouldn't do is pull in anyway with a 1 foot gap between you and the person you were trying to get past.

If that is what the OP is complaining about, I can understand that, even if I don't agree with their response to it. Two wrongs don't make a right, but they do double the chances of an accident.

Absolutely spot on

Note the Op didnt respond

neilmcl

brat wrote: »

I'm all for taking the line of least resistance, but if an incident was to arise where the driver trying to manoeuvre from the wrong lane for the exit into a queuing correct lane, then the lion's share of cause and blame will normally rest with the queue jumper. If you are attempting to put your car into a lane where another car is already established, you are completely reliant on the benevolent accommodating nature of the established driver, and you have no right to expect this. If there is no space to get in without forcing a gap or entering an inappropriate gap, then off you go round the roundabout.

I absolutely agree. If the lane changer has to force his way in (regardless of whether he's in the "wrong" lane or not) then he's definitely at fault, if, however, it's safe for him to filter into that lane then there's no issue. What isn't on is the driver of the inside lane somehow feeling slighted and taking the law into their own hands to actively prevent what may otherwise be a safe manoevre, turning it into a dangerous situation where not only their own and the other driver's lives are put at risk but those of the other drivers around them.

Hintza

andy213 wrote: »

Wow, it's a race issue now is it ?

Eh..............

andy213 wrote: »

.....and I'm unashamedly English,

This doesn't compute.

Lum

I think Andy213 was just saying that he conforms to the Englishman stereotype of queueing for everything.

Somebody else then jumped in to interpret that as saying that those who don't form an orderly queue must therefore be Scottish or from further afield.

Personally I think that interpretation is somewhat stretching things.