right means right........right?

prowla

brat wrote: »

If I was in the unmarked and someone forced their way into the lane ahead of me, they would be spoken to. It's an inconsiderate selfish act, and usually careless. Their attitude would have a significant part to play in how I would deal with them. I might recommend they take a driver improvement course in lieu of prosecution, or they may get off with a warning if I feel they have taken on board what I've said.

But normal road users can't "speak to" the inconsiderate driver.

aileth

Although it's not a motorway or a duel carriageway as in the OP, but every morning we have to come out of a junction onto a road which connects to a box junction and is always packed with cars at rush hour. People in the queue think people coming out of the junction are 'pushing in' and will bumper hug and do everything they can so you don't spot a chance to get out. I've been in a queue where we've been behind a car at the junction, they've waited 15 minutes and then thought 'sod it' and blocked the carriageway trying to get in and have instead caused a blockage from the other direction while the queue refuses to let him in (I'm not condoning it, but just emphasising how it can be).

Some mornings it can take 20 minutes just to get out of said junction because of people like this, and some mornings it can take 30 seconds. If everybody was of the mindset 'how dare you get in front of me' and tailgating car in front as close as possible, I don't think I'd ever get to work in the morning!

sunshinetours

knightstyle wrote: »

:T Another thing just happened to me, can I sue?
We have a long country road, some of it dual carriageway, with a 50 limit, I just followed a BMW, 12 reg. that kept to the limit!
I am in shock! Oh just realised it is Sunday, perhaps driving nervous parents home?

You seem to have a bit of a thing about BMW's - funny how "perception" and too much Daily Mail-ism works in the human race!

sunshinetours

OP as you say you have only been driving for 15 years, maybe you will learn eventually to chill and learn some defensive driving techniques.

Bad driving of all sorts is always annoying, including your own

NBLondon

brat wrote: »

FWIW, I don't see this kind of thing daily, we don't have such bottlenecks where this kind of advantage can be gained.

Where is this wonderful place:) and can they spare a few decent traffic cops to help out the Met please?

Here's a vaguely similar situation --- Lane 1 turns left into the Blackwall Tunnel Southbound; Lane 2 can do that OR go straight on towards Central London; Lane 3 can go straight on or further up can turn right. In the evening rush hour, both Lanes 1 and 2 fill up with traffic wanting to turn left and cross the river, Lane 3 is fairly empty. So there are always some who decide to dash up Lane 3 and then push in to Lane 2 at the lights. There is certainly never a gap for them to merge to; they just stick their nose over the line (while holding up the rest of Lane 3) until someone lets them in.

photome

NBLondon wrote: »

Where is this wonderful place:) and can they spare a few decent traffic cops to help out the Met please?

Here's a vaguely similar situation --- Lane 1 turns left into the Blackwall Tunnel Southbound; Lane 2 can do that OR go straight on towards Central London; Lane 3 can go straight on or further up can turn right. In the evening rush hour, both Lanes 1 and 2 fill up with traffic wanting to turn left and cross the river, Lane 3 is fairly empty. So there are always some who decide to dash up Lane 3 and then push in to Lane 2 at the lights. There is certainly never a gap for them to merge to; they just stick their nose over the line (while holding up the rest of Lane 3) until someone lets them in.

not even vaguely similar...that is just ignorant and plainly wrong

Cornucopia

I think it's a wider problem than just speedy/aggressive drivers. And I also wonder whether the lane labels are legally binding.

I live near this roundabout: link

On the approach from the A2 westbound, there are two lanes. The right-hand lane is clearly marked Bluewater, and the left is marked Bean. Bean is the first exit (180 degrees) and Bluewater the second (270 degrees). Despite all the cues, drivers are always going around the roundabout from the left-hand lane to the Bluewater exit. These drivers are just a random selection, not queue-jumpers or by racers. Fortunately, the exit has two lanes, too.

I presume that (like a number of locations I can think of) there are cues that indicate to ill-informed drivers that the road "works" in a particular way that it doesn't.

... but I can't imagine what they are.

brat

NBLondon wrote: »

Where is this wonderful place:) and can they spare a few decent traffic cops to help out the Met please?

If I tell you and everyone about our dreamy bucolic location, then it will become less idyllic.
We do have a rush hour gridlock, but nowhere where significant advantage could be gained by inconsiderate driving.

NBLondon wrote: »

Here's a vaguely similar situation --- Lane 1 turns left into the Blackwall Tunnel Southbound; Lane 2 can do that OR go straight on towards Central London; Lane 3 can go straight on or further up can turn right. In the evening rush hour, both Lanes 1 and 2 fill up with traffic wanting to turn left and cross the river, Lane 3 is fairly empty. So there are always some who decide to dash up Lane 3 and then push in to Lane 2 at the lights. There is certainly never a gap for them to merge to; they just stick their nose over the line (while holding up the rest of Lane 3) until someone lets them in.

Clearly inconsiderate.
I love pulling inconsiderate drivers, they're so deliciously arrogant. It's a real day maker!

Happychappy

brat wrote: »

If I tell you and everyone about our dreamy bucolic location, then it will become less idyllic.
We do have a rush hour gridlock, but nowhere where significant advantage could be gained by inconsiderate driving.



Clearly inconsiderate.
I love pulling inconsiderate drivers, they're so deliciously arrogant. It's a real day maker!

My goodness, you remind me what it was like on traffic in days gone by, must be Cumbria or the like, certainly no traffic section I would recognise :eek:

andy213

brat wrote: »

If I tell you and everyone about our dreamy bucolic location, then it will become less idyllic.
We do have a rush hour gridlock, but nowhere where significant advantage could be gained by inconsiderate driving.

do you live on this planet or failing that in a UK major city?

I understand you're local and yes you're probably doing a great job but denying the issues does not befit someone who isn't meant to lie

There are 3 main issues with Nottingham's roads that affect me and many more that will affect others.

1. they're completely inadequate next to the number of users (que its my fault get a tram, I can't I work in the middle of nowhere, even the new tram which you're taxing us to the hilt for won't get there.)

2. there are PLENTY of places where people gain advantage by being cheating idiots - this is symptomatic of point 1

3. traffic lights just off the exits of roundabouts what the HECK is that about? no I don't hate pedestrians and cyclists before anyone thinks so - but putting a stop dead crossing just after an exit you naturally accelerate out of , that's just silly town planning

have to go now - due to point 1 2 and 3, or I'd have 15 minutes extra! :rotfl: