right means right........right?

knightstyle

We have a similar problem outside Lincoln, two lanes in, one out and the right hand lane in has a right turn only arrow. As it has no queue the BMWs use it to go straight ahead. Well many people have got wise to this and block them like the poster so now they do go right, and keep on the roundabout doing 360 degrees and having right of way over traffic queuing legitimately!!! AAARRRGGGHHH

gilbert_and_sullivan

Understand the frustrations of the OP here, this pushing in used to be the preserve of the ill mannered 'me first' south east of the country, unfortunately in years gone by the force field round Hell, sorry, London was raised and the inmates escaped via overspill loophole and infected other areas, tragic turn of events that spoiled many towns and villages which were previously pleasant.

Haven't been to Scotland for a few years now, but the last few times i drove there the standard of driving and basic decent manners and courtesy stood out by a country mile compared to the south, hope the infection hasn't spread up there too.

brat

neilmcl wrote: »

I absolutely agree. If the lane changer has to force his way in (regardless of whether he's in the "wrong" lane or not) then he's definitely at fault, if, however, it's safe for him to filter into that lane then there's no issue. What isn't on is the driver of the inside lane somehow feeling slighted and taking the law into their own hands to actively prevent what may otherwise be a safe manoevre, turning it into a dangerous situation where not only their own and the other driver's lives are put at risk but those of the other drivers around them.

Yes. If the overtaking/filtering driver has identified a clear, steady continuous gap in the lane he intends to move into, then it is not right for the car being overtaken to 'mix a bottle' for the overtaking car by intentionally accelerating to close that gap.
But that's not how these confrontations usually arise. Usually it's a driver trying to jump a queue, knowing he may have to force his way into the queue at the exit. If a motorist intentionally bullies his way into the lane for no better reason than he thinks he's more important than everyone else, then, of course you shouldn't antagonise him by blocking him, but it doesn't mean his driving isn't inconsiderate. Any traffic cop worth his salt should be speaking to these drivers to make them fully aware (either via advice or prosecution) that their driving is below an expected standard.

andy213

Originally Posted by Lum
I think a lot of this depends on the unique situation of each incident.

If someone gets in the wrong lane, then enters the roundabout into a gap which the person in the correct lane did not attempt, then the lane will be free and they can safely move across.

This one isn't too bad, and is sometimes necessary if you are stuck behind a hesitant driver who has missed a number of perfectly safe gaps. (I use three as a rule of thumb)

There is always the chance that this can backfire and this time the hesitant driver actually goes as well. In this situation you have a few options:

If nobody behind the roundabout entered, tuck in behind the slow driver.

If the roundabout is big enough, and the speed difference big enough, you might be able to pull in front, being sure to follow the old "do not cause other drivers to change speed and direction" rule. If you do this then you will be on your way without any delay to the hesitant driver and the people who are stuck behind them, other than shortening the queue by one car. I think this is what Strider is getting at, though he seems to take it to greater extremes than what I am personally comfortable with.

If you can't perform either of these options then congratulations, you screwed up, and now you need to go all the way around the roundabout for another go. Oh well, you win some, you lose some.

What you shouldn't do is pull in anyway with a 1 foot gap between you and the person you were trying to get past.

If that is what the OP is complaining about, I can understand that, even if I don't agree with their response to it. Two wrongs don't make a right, but they do double the chances of an accident.

photome wrote: »

Absolutely spot on

Note the Op didnt respond

I didn't respond because I was away from my desk, perhaps held up in traffic , which i could have avoided and been here sooner if only I had pretended I was going to Manchester on my way back from Yorkshire to Nottingham

My response is that these are all sensible options for after the horse has bolted to make sure the barn door shuts with minimal incident and most of which i'd employ if I genuinely made a mistake and got lost and realised I needed to be straight on not right.....on a roundabout.

But I think we can generally tell the difference between lost people and idiots because idiots happen at rush hour, they also do one of two things on their fake right turn, if the car is fast they go for the speed swerve in front approach and you can generally tell its iin mind of driver by the revving before the off .... or they do the opposite and accelerate off like they're driving a 1950s car without a service for 10 years knowing their way in is between you and car 2 who was also waiting their turn

they also won't look you in the eye , when you look over, they get all fidgety and furtive, they know they're merchant bankers so do anything to avoid your stare

andy213

Lum wrote: »

I think Andy213 was just saying that he conforms to the Englishman stereotype of

Somebody else then jumped in to interpret that as saying that those who don't form an orderly queue must therefore be Scottish or from further afield.

Personally I think that interpretation is somewhat stretching things.

and yes I was saying exactly that and only that not that I'd especially need to defend myself on such a ridiculous point made by the person who got stuck in about "jocks and johnny foreigner", I'm also quite reserved as a person too in some situations, and attribute that also to my English ness, that does not mean I am racist nor does it mean in context that I hate Americans who are generally a lot more outgoing in character. I think it's a terrific stretch of assumption and paranoia to get to anti Scottish and anti foreigner from my saying something alluding to the fact that I'm stereotypically English - and I like conformity / people waiting their turn etc.

If I say I have Scottish friends am I over compensating here with a secret white pillowcase on my head?

I have Scottish friends. One of them has just passed her driving test!

photome

andy213 wrote: »

I didn't respond because I was away from my desk, perhaps held up in traffic , which i could have avoided and been here sooner if only I had pretended I was going to Manchester on my way back from Yorkshire to Nottingham

My response is that these are all sensible options for after the horse has bolted to make sure the barn door shuts with minimal incident and most of which i'd employ if I genuinely made a mistake and got lost and realised I needed to be straight on not right.....on a roundabout.

But I think we can generally tell the difference between lost people and idiots because idiots happen at rush hour, they also do one of two things on their fake right turn, if the car is fast they go for the speed swerve in front approach and you can generally tell its iin mind of driver by the revving before the off .... or they do the opposite and accelerate off like they're driving a 1950s car without a service for 10 years knowing their way in is between you and car 2 who was also waiting their turn

they also won't look you in the eye , when you look over, they get all fidgety and furtive, they know they're merchant bankers so do anything to avoid your stare

None of the above should be an issue for you to start taking the law in to your own hands

neilmcl

andy213 wrote: »

they also won't look you in the eye , when you look over, they get all fidgety and furtive, they know they're merchant bankers so do anything to avoid your stare

Could it be there simply concentrating on the road in front of them, something you should possibly be doing instead.

andy213

photome wrote: »

None of the above should be an issue for you to start taking the law in to your own hands

it'd be an issue to you if you were driving to work and some nutter swerved in front of you with zero space just before the roundabout exit causing you to smash the whole front of your car into theirs brought on by their violent braking to make the exit they weren't in the right lane for!

photome

andy213 wrote: »

it'd be an issue to you if you were driving to work and some nutter swerved in front of you with zero space just before the roundabout exit causing you to smash the whole front of your car into theirs brought on by their violent braking to make the exit they weren't in the right lane for!

Thats not what you said in the post I qouted, and no body is advocating that either

I did ask earlier, do you have an issue with someone going all the way round thae roundabout, which in your view may still be considered queue jumping

andy213

neilmcl wrote: »

Could it be there simply concentrating on the road in front of them, something you should possibly be doing instead.

neil, why don't you just get some bottle, come out and admit you're one of those entitled !!!!!!!!!!s of society that thinks normal rules don't apply to them and that they are more important than the rest of us. Stop kicking a dead horse and defending rude people behaving like idiots, or admit that it is because you are one of them

do you push your way to the front of queues as well? do you expect service first at a restaurant when you turn up last? did you parents tell you you were more important than everyone else and that the silver spoon up your backside really really mattered for half your life

get in line and wait your turn you are no better than anybody else