right means right........right?

photome

andy213 wrote: »

do you live on this planet or failing that in a UK major city?

I understand you're local and yes you're probably doing a great job but denying the issues does not befit someone who isn't meant to lie

There are 3 main issues with Nottingham's roads that affect me and many more that will affect others.

1. they're completely inadequate next to the number of users (que its my fault get a tram, I can't I work in the middle of nowhere, even the new tram which you're taxing us to the hilt for won't get there.)

2. there are PLENTY of places where people gain advantage by being cheating idiots - this is symptomatic of point 1

3. traffic lights just off the exits of roundabouts what the HECK is that about? no I don't hate pedestrians and cyclists before anyone thinks so - but putting a stop dead crossing just after an exit you naturally accelerate out of , that's just silly town planning

have to go now - due to point 1 2 and 3, or I'd have 15 minutes extra! :rotfl:

from the above it seems you have other "issues" rather than just IYO queue jumpers

brat

andy213 wrote: »

do you live on this planet or failing that in a UK major city?

Yes and No.

I understand you're local and yes you're probably doing a great job but denying the issues does not befit someone who isn't meant to lie

Local to what?? To you? No. perhaps you could clarify this sentence, because you're not making much sense.

I'd suggest I'm taking a fairer, more holistic overview than you. I'm suggesting that two wrongs don't make a right. Too many serious road traffic problems arise from road rage incidents that develop from just such flash points. I'd rather that didn't happen, but that requires your help too.

There are 3 main issues with Nottingham's roads that affect me and many more that will affect others.
1. they're completely inadequate next to the number of users (que its my fault get a tram, I can't I work in the middle of nowhere, even the new tram which you're taxing us to the hilt for won't get there.)

I cycle - perhaps you could consider that.

2. there are PLENTY of places where people gain advantage by being cheating idiots - this is symptomatic of point 1

We've discussed your rights and responsibilities as a driver. You are not alone. Plenty other motorists share your commuter frustration.

3. traffic lights just off the exits of roundabouts what the HECK is that about? no I don't hate pedestrians and cyclists before anyone thinks so - but putting a stop dead crossing just after an exit you naturally accelerate out of , that's just silly town planning

It is in recognition of the fact that if there was no crossing there, pedestrians would still try to cross.

I agree with the previous poster - you need to chill and manage your frustration. I presume many others share your frustrations, so you should be pressing the local council highways department to recognise the failings of their road planning and design. Perhaps you could convince them to spend some of your hard earned taxes in a way that suits your needs.

NBLondon

Cornucopia wrote: »

I think it's a wider problem than just speedy/aggressive drivers. And I also wonder whether the lane labels are legally binding.

I live near this roundabout: link

On the approach from the A2 westbound, there are two lanes. The right-hand lane is clearly marked Bluewater, and the left is marked Bean. Bean is the first exit (180 degrees) and Bluewater the second (270 degrees). Despite all the cues, drivers are always going around the roundabout from the left-hand lane to the Bluewater exit. These drivers are just a random selection, not queue-jumpers or by racers. Fortunately, the exit has two lanes, too.

I presume that (like a number of locations I can think of) there are cues that indicate to ill-informed drivers that the road "works" in a particular way that it doesn't.

... but I can't imagine what they are.

Here's a Google Maps link - which might be out of date since the overhead sign suggests both lanes for Bean/Bluewater/Greenhithe and the only road marking shown is left lane for Bean. Now, I'm sure Bean is a lovely place but Bluewater gets more vixitors so Bluewater traffic using the left lane makes more sense than for a tailback down the sliproad. No traffic should be going to Bean from the right lane so there's no obvious danger in traffic going all the way round in the left lane until they merge in turn at the exit point.

You get a similar situation leaving Bluewater at a couple of places - maybe the estimates of traffic flows were a bit off?

Cornucopia

"Overhead sign"? I don't see one on your link. Next time I go that way, I'll check to see if there are contradictory signs further back.

You're right in that it doesn't present any particular dangers. Strangely, although I often seem to get "cut up" when I'm in the right-hand land of other roundabouts, it never happens there. The only issue is a road rage one - which is that the next roundabout separates local traffic from Bluewater traffic and I, having correctly come round the first roundabout on the right, now need to be on the left... and those who have incorrectly come round the first roundabout on my left, sometimes undertaking me, are now sometimes reluctant to let me in.

It's not a big issue - I happen to use the roundabout often enough to have recognised the pattern.

edit: I moved back a bit on Google to find the overhead sign. You were right, the sign and road markings contradict each other.

andy213

photome wrote: »

from the above it seems you have other "issues" rather than just IYO queue jumpers

from the above? did you READ the above which you quoted in this reply?

queue jumpers, it is established I can't stand them because they are rude dicks, you spend a lot of time defending them probably because you are one of them and it's easier to excuse bad behaviour than do something about it

a crossing just off a major roundabout that traffic accelerates away from when there's a lot more road further up and therefore visibility warning for pedestrians/motorists alike- crossings three meters or so away from major road roundabouts good idea? yes or no?

and finally, a city full to the brim of people so much that the roads are heaving with far more motorists than they were built to ever cope with leading to rude and irrational behaviours AS DESCRIBED ON THIS THREAD, good idea? (the overcrowding/small roads bit, I know you condone the rude bit) yes or no?

issues indeed! Therefore it would be folly of me to add to these issues and start disliking people who can't read and who defend bad drivers

andy213

brat wrote: »

I cycle - perhaps you could consider that.

I have when I've worked close enough, now it's not possible, or I'd be Tour de France level by now if it was

brat

andy213 wrote: »

I have when I've worked close enough, now it's not possible, or I'd be Tour de France level by now if it was

Shame. It makes my commute twice as quick as any other means.

But If you accept counsel, I'd suggest that you relax a bit more on your commute, acknowledge those drivers who help you, and ignore those ulcer developing arrogant types who feel so self important that they need to bully other road users. I give you full permission to toot your approval to the next traffic cop who pulls one of your nemesis drivers.