grandparents finding grandchildren difficult

Dunroamin

Mado wrote: »

You don't exactly need to tell me how the French treat their children :whistle:.I grew up there, I visit regularly and I have 20 nephews and nieces and friends with children too. So I know how families treat their children.
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This is of course true but if I you can comment on the situation in the UK, surely a Brit can comment on the situation in another country?

However, if we're talking about cultural norms in a country, you should accept that children standing up for adults on public transport is the norm in the UK, whether you agree with it or not.

Mojisola

Person_one wrote: »

If its all about who paid how much there are quite a few older and disabled people who should be standing up for healthy adults!

It's not only about paying a full fare - older and disabled people should be offered a seat for other reasons.

I would think my children were being very impolite if they stayed sitting on a bus while adults, particularly older or disabled people, were left standing.

There's a saying that politeness is the engine oil of society - it keeps things running smoothly. Adults who were taught as children to put their own interests first will experience backlashes and probably not understand why people are behaving like that towards them.

Dunroamin

Person_one wrote: »

There's always the option of not being grossly offensive in the first place, worth bearing in mind perhaps.

What an offensive think to say to a poster who's always polite and reasonable with everybody.

candygirl

My littlies never need to go on a bus, but if we were on one, I would have the baby on my knee, or in his pram, n little madam could sit next to me, unless a disabled or old person needed a seat:D

bloolagoon

I would never have to ask my children to stand for an adult, they would do so without being asked. They'd never ask for a child menu, they have sat at the table and eat what we eat since 12 months.

I can't comment on grandchildren as I share same values as mine, but friends children's are out of control. Screaming to get their own way, interrupting adults talking, being disrespectful. They are well behaved cat school as I volunteer so do know they can have respect, so why not behave that way at home, because their parent permit it.

I've never agreed with smacking and the look is enough to say it all, but some parents are making a rod for their own back in my opinion. Children's values, spirit, and uniqueness should be encouraged but rudeness and disrespect shouldn't.

Mado

Mojisola wrote: »

I would think my children were being very impolite if they stayed sitting on a bus while adults, particularly older or disabled people, were left standing.

I think it's been made clear that disabled, elderly, people with babies or pregnant women should be given priority seats by anyone, not just children.:think:

With your principle, would you say, for example that a 7 year old child should give his seat to a 25 year old?

Dunroamin wrote: »

However, if we're talking about cultural norms in a country, you should accept that children standing up for adults on public transport is the norm in the UK, whether you agree with it or not.

It certainly isn't the norm in any train or tube I have been on recently.
Like I said , if a train or tube is very busy, there are not exactly a lot of support points for little people and the stops/ starts certainly require that you can safely hold on to something or risk falling over. And risk injuring a grown up standing next to you.

JB1971

Drives me mad to see what my parents put up with as far as my nephew is concerned - he gets away with far more than I ever did!:rotfl:
From a baby, I used to take him out for lunch every Sunday and no, he wasn't allowed to use the place as a playground or get given chicken nuggets!
On public transport, we would always give way to someone older/disabled/in greater need - and when he was too big to sit on my lap, I would hold on to him for dear life!
He's early 20's now, has impeccable manners, and certainly doesn't feel like a second class citizen.
(Please don't tell him that all of that 'cabbage' was really chopped up sprouts though - he still doesn't know!:rotfl:)

Torry_Quine

Reading some posts here it honestly surprises me, but probably shouldn't, that it isn't the norm anymore in some cases for children to stand up for adults! When did that happen as I always thought that it was very rude not too as says more about the parent.

candygirl

If my Grandbabies stood up for random , not old or disabled adults, they would be crushed!!!:eek::eek:
Otherwise, they both have fabulous manners and social skills:D:D

Dunroamin

Mado wrote: »

It certainly isn't the norm in any train or tube I have been on recently.
Like I said , if a train or tube is very busy, there are not exactly a lot of support points for little people and the stops/ starts certainly require that you can safely hold on to something or risk falling over. And risk injuring a grown up standing next to you.

But that's surely the point of what some of us have been saying, children are less well behaved than they used to be and the standard of manners have dropped dramatically.