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mrochester

What we have is proof that the first android phone wasn't a blackberry style phone which is where you were going to start with.

Further to that unlike the iOS, which only runs on one phone, Android is intended to run on lots of devices. Android is based on linux which has had touch ability (seeing as touch is basically just an input device like the keyboard, mouse and mouse pad) for years.

The only high probable thing about our current conversation is that you are grasping at straws trying desperately to make out google somehow copied apple. Its laughable to suggest google saw the iphone and somehow in 11 months starting from scratch came up with something that worked just as good as something apple had been developing for years!

I'm just looking for some evidence that Android was a fully touch base OS prior to the iPhone announcement. Do you have any evidence to support this or not? In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, we can only assume that the very limited touch based demo that Google demonstrated in November 2007 and the subsequent year long delay before they were able to release a finished product is a good indication that they had to hurriedly change course following Apple's announcement on January 2007.

mrochester

23n1th wrote: »

You can't prove a negative. The failure of every religious zealot.

As far as I'm aware there was no delay.

What you are doing is trying to muddy the waters; you are speculating and trying to insinuate from that speculation that android is a copied OS, which it is not.

You are attempting what other apple fanboys have tried. And your conclusions false as they are based on a false premise.

Fact: Android began before iOS and the iphone.
Fact: Android was and is fully touch enabled, as was the base OS linux.
Fact: Android was developed to work on more than one handset.
Fact: Android was tested on more than one handset with more than one input method.

Just because you've seen two prototype handsets doesn't mean there weren't others, and just because one prototype isn't fully touch enable doesn't then automatically make android a copied OS or prove google suddenly change direction with android.

Its frankly ludicrous basing your argument on a 6 minutes video.

And all this to disguise the fact you have no evidence is wasn't touch enabled.

And likewise there is no evidence that it was. I'm just drawing conclusions based on what we do know. You appear to just be drawing a different conclusion.

buscape

23n1th wrote: »

Its very relevant when you stated "Yes Android might have been ripped off from iOS... " which is what I was replying to.

Never said any such thing, you've got me mixed up with someone else.

horngkai

mrochester wrote: »

And likewise there is no evidence that it was. I'm just drawing conclusions based on what we do know. You appear to just be drawing a different conclusion.

Which makes me wonder why you two been discussing about this for so long as no one will be able to make any definite conclusion unless both Apple and Google come clean with their development timeline (which they will not). I think for now, we just have to accept that neither of them copied each other, but for what we can see now, iOS is behind in terms of innovation compared to android. Even if they eventually make it a better user experience (I have not experienced this but Apple user say they do), they are still behind .

The cycle might turn around again soon as that is normally what happens in the world of technology. I am just glad of being the end user to enjoy all the innovation from different company :T:T

mrochester

horngkai wrote: »

Which makes me wonder why you two been discussing about this for so long as no one will be able to make any definite conclusion unless both Apple and Google come clean with their development timeline (which they will not). I think for now, we just have to accept that neither of them copied each other, but for what we can see now, iOS is behind in terms of innovation compared to android. Even if they eventually make it a better user experience (I have not experienced this but Apple user say they do), they are still behind .

The cycle might turn around again soon as that is normally what happens in the world of technology. I am just glad of being the end user to enjoy all the innovation from different company :T:T

I'd reverse your conclusion and say that Android is still behind iOS, but Google are definitely slowly but surely getting there.

Regardless, you're right, consumers have never had so much choice when it comes to picking a smartphone!

mrochester

23n1th wrote: »

You can draw whatever conclusions you want, however unlikely your conclusions are.

You too

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mrochester wrote: »

I'm just looking for some evidence that Android was a fully touch base OS prior to the iPhone announcement. Do you have any evidence to support this or not? In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, we can only assume that the very limited touch based demo that Google demonstrated in November 2007 and the subsequent year long delay before they were able to release a finished product is a good indication that they had to hurriedly change course following Apple's announcement on January 2007.

IBM released the first 'smartphone' with a touch screen interface in 1992. Why do you keep making this straw-man about Apple and the iPhone?

Android had full touch screen support in the first beta released in 2007. I really don't understand why you think it wouldn't, given the fact that the handset manufacturers in the Open Handset Alliance had touch screen enabled devices well before Apple had conceived the iPhone.

mrochester

anewhope wrote: »

IBM released the first 'smartphone' with a touch screen interface in 1992. Why do you keep making this straw-man about Apple and the iPhone?

Android had full touch screen support in the first beta released in 2007. I really don't understand why you think it wouldn't, given the fact that the handset manufacturers in the Open Handset Alliance had touch screen enabled devices well before Apple had conceived the iPhone.

I haven't seen anything to say that Android was a touch based OS prior to the announcement of the iPhone. The only evidence we have is a video from November 2007 that shows a very limited and rudimentary version of Android running on a touchscreen device that relies heavily on hardware buttons to navigate which Google could have easily thrown together in the 10 months they had after Apple announced the iPhone. We only see very limited demos of this touchscreen functionality and no demonstration of what the UI would look like and how it would function (unlike the device that was modelled after the Blackberry form factor) It also took Google another 11 months to release a finished product, so their touch based interface must have only been in very early development when they showed it in November 2007.

It all ties up way too conveniently to point to the idea that Google switched to a touch based paradigm only after Apple had announced the iPhone and Google realised they would badly miss the mark if they didn't keep up with what Apple had announced and subsequently released. If Google had been developing a touch based OS from the get go they should have been much further along with development in their November 2007 demo than they were able to demonstrate (like I said, in comparison to their Blackberry like device).

Unless you have any evidence to the contrary, the above conclusion seems like the most likely given the evidence that we have. And we've since seen it happen again and again; the iPad and MacBook Air have both required the competition to change direction, and that's totally fine, but there's no point in ignoring the amount of influence Apple has on these markets. I don't think it was any different in the smartphone market.

thegoodman

First or not who cares.

Is the product game changer?

The iPhone is. It changed the mobile market forever. The google may or may not working on the touch screen before iPhone however it was matter of time before Google will copy the functions and release the mobile os. It took Google about a year.

The iPad may not be first. Is it a game changer?
Yes. All others including MS and Android started to make tablets better after the release of iPad.

The iPod may not be the first MP3 player. Is it a game changer?
Yes. Somehow iPod managed to close many record shops.

Is App store game changer?
Yes. All others started releasing their App store after Apple.

The Goole may have been working on all the products since 1997 but what's the point and who cares if you are not going to release them?

buscape

mrochester wrote: »

And we've since seen it happen again and again; the iPad and MacBook Air have both required the competition to change direction, and that's totally fine, but there's no point in ignoring the amount of influence Apple has on these markets. I don't think it was any different in the smartphone market.

It's very different in the smartphone market. As I've said before, Apple showed how to make an easy to use touchscreen UI which was definitely disruptive to the market at the time given that no one else had combined a touchscreen properly usable with fingers, with an intuitive, easy to use interface at that time. Aside from that (in 2007) in my opinion, they haven't done anything as innovative and disruptive since.

Overall, I'm not convinced they're as influential in the smartphone market as a whole as you like to think.