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23n1th wrote: »

Maybe I should have wrapped it in <joke></joke> or <do not take seriously></do not take seriously>, my fault entirely.:doh:It was a follow on from my post previous when I suggested goodman and tilda were the same person.

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grumbler

23n1th wrote: »

OK so this is an old phone (on a rubbish network - from my experience) and you're relying on buying it online through a cashback site for the discount. The iphone itself is not discounted, and you would receive similar cash back with any contract bought through the cashback site which kind of makes you point moot. Nice try though.

You can keep inventing excuses if you wish, but I merely replied to your categorical statement: "There is no cheap way of buying an iphone."

Apple dictate; their [STRIKE]sheep[/STRIKE] customers comply.

OK, why do they not try dictating £5K then? Because the price they allegedly 'dictate' is in fact the optimal one determined by the demand from their customers. Try 'dictating' a higher price and you will get a collapsed demand.

mrochester

grumbler wrote: »

You can keep inventing excuses if you wish, but I merely replied to your categorical statement: "There is no cheap way of buying an iphone."
OK, why do they not try dictating £5K then? Because the price they allegedly 'dictate' is in fact the optimal one determined by the demand from their customers. Try 'dictating' a higher price and you will get a collapsed demand.

A product will only sell at a price the market will bare. That Apple can continue selling iPhones at £500 a pop is indicative that the market is prepared to pay that price. Likewise, products go down in price when they can no longer be sold at the original sale price. It's the market that dictates prices, not the manufacturer.

23n1th

grumbler wrote: »

You can keep inventing excuses if you wish, but I merely replied to your categorical statement: "There is no cheap way of buying an iphone."

What exactly have I invented?

Does quidco offer no cash back on contracts that don't include an iphone?

Is the contract you found not just an iphone 4 as opposed to a 4S (the current iphone)?

OK, why do they not try dictating £5K then? Because the price they allegedly 'dictate' is in fact the optimal one determined by the demand from their customers. Try 'dictating' a higher price and you will get a collapsed demand.

You would have to ask apple why they don't dictate £5000. Either that or stop being ridiculous.

mrochester

You would have to ask apple why they don't dictate £5000. Either that or stop being ridiculous.

I'd hazard a guess that they don't charge £5000 because they wouldn't sell any at that price. They do, however, sell many millions at £500, which I guess is why it's the current price .

Cash-Strapped.T32

thegoodman wrote: »

Unlike Blackberry Apple have been able to create top designed quality products for much longer. It's not just iPhone all their product line including laptop, iPad, desktop, ipod and tv box as well as app store have quality image.

No, unlike RIM, Apple have an overtly stated policy of not negotiating with resellers (or to be more accurate, leaving very little negotiating-room), a policy of keeping the price higher than the sellers (ie; the open market) says they should sell for.
In almost any other walk of life, we'd be banging the table saying it's price-fixing - but like with fashionable handbags or it just makes people want it all the more.
That is what is unique about Apple's iPhone strategy atm.

(ps: Apple's history in the dekstop sphere is an interesting one, but to be fair to you, it's probably not something you'd be aware of if you're not into computers. Let's not think about the 90's where they subsidised universities & other organisations to buy cheap Macs instead of IBM-compatibles; Apple make good desktops, but they were far from a market leader in recent times & there's a reason why they worshipped Steve Jobs after he came back to revive the company)

You say "Unlike Blackberry Apple have been able to create top designed quality products for much longer."
This is untrue. Rim still make those products, BBs are still pretty top-notch, and are easily as high quality as Apple gear. It might work in a different way to what you're used to, but you can't really say it's markedly inferior as a smartphone.

So I say again; The difference is all in the marketing and "premium" image - And I'd go further to say (again, and this bit is my speculation) that nearly all the anti-iPhone vehemence stems from this fact, like as not.

23n1th

mrochester wrote: »

I'd hazard a guess that they don't charge £5000 because they wouldn't sell any at that price. They do, however, sell many millions at £500, which I guess is why it's the current price .

And that price wont change despite the hardware becoming old/outdated like the price changes for other phones.

Why is that?

grumbler

mrochester wrote: »

A product will only sell at a price the market will bare. That Apple can continue selling iPhones at £500 a pop is indicative that the market is prepared to pay that price. Likewise, products go down in price when they can no longer be sold at the original sale price. It's the market that dictates prices, not the manufacturer.

Are you arguing with me or agreeing? What you say was exactly my point. The price that Apple allegedly 'dictate' is in fact the price that the market is prepared to pay.

grumbler

23n1th wrote: »

What exactly have I invented?

Does quidco offer no cash back on contracts that don't include an iphone?

So, there is cheap way of buying an iPhone, i.e. cheaper than from Apple?

Is the contract you found not just an iphone 4 as opposed to a 4S (the current iphone)?

It's the first time I hear about 4s. Can I remind you what your original statement was?

There is no cheap way of buying an iphone.

You would have to ask apple why they don't dictate £5000. Either that or stop being ridiculous.

No point in asking. It is obvious that if they try 'dictating' this price they will not survive because this doesn't make any economical sense. Economics is about the balance between the demand and the supply.
Denying obvious facts is another sign of narrow-mindedness that I mentioned above.

23n1th

grumbler wrote: »

So, their is cheap way of buying an iPhone, i.e. dheaper than from Apple?

Cashback is a bonus not a discount. It also can't be relied upon. Number one rule found on this site.

Besides which its not a discount on the iphone its a discount on a contract.

It's the first time I hear about 4s. Can I remind you what your original statement was?

Really, its been out for a while now. Its even mentioned in the title of this thread.

I thought in a thread about the 4S we would be talking about the 4S, not an outdated model that soon will be unsupported by its manufacturer as it forces people to upgrade for new features the older model is capable of running.

No point in asking. It is obvious that if they try 'dictating' this price they will not survive because this doesn't make any economical sense. Economics is about the balance between the demand and the supply.

You right there is no point asking, it was patently stupid even suggesting that price. And I'm not deputing that people will buy the iphone (I'm talking the latest 4S version just for clarity), what I'm saying is that its not worth the price apple set for it.