iOS 6 for iPhone 4s and iPad to include free satnav powered by TomTom

movilogo

I still prefer to use a stand alone Sat Nav. Relying too much on phone means broken phone = broken life

horngkai

liubeliu wrote: »

Probably not comparable, look what you get. Bargain at only £20 more (very MSE :money:)

Better screen
Better resolution camera with flash
Double the memory
Better processor
Can be used without additional software (i.e. can be setup and upgraded OTA and not rely on KIES)

But you will be running Android rather than iOS.

liubeliu

horngkai wrote: »

But you will be running Android rather than iOS.

Thanks for pointing that out, all my christmas's have come at once :beer:

I still use a MacBook Pro as prefer OSX and iPad as they have some great apps for the kids so still 2/3 an apple fanboy. And also still use Win 7 and a Blackberry for work (can't have it all)

thegoodman

anewhope wrote: »

You're missing the point, it isn't about selling a product at a loss (although predatory pricing is not uncommon) but retailers cannot negotiate prices with Apple nor do Apple's pricing reflect changes in the various markets components are sourced from therefore they are being kept at an artificially high level by Apple.

Other manufacturers do, which is why pricing does not remain fixed throughout the product lifestyle.

If this is the case why Samsung and Sony, like Apple, have stop giving discount to retailers for some products in the US?

The reason both companies have copied the Apple business with the limited product range to stary with is to increase the profit.

It's a matter of months before both companies do the same here.

If this was the case would you say both companies are as bad as Apple?

grumbler

I don't remember anybody saying here that Apple were 'bad'. I think it was you who introduced the term 'rip off' with regard to the competitors.
All companies do only what their customers allow them to do. Apple were successful to achieve a somewhat unique position on the market and I don't think that other companies will be able to do exactly the same. If they will, there is no anything 'bad' in this. Business is business.

buglawton

As usual the mere mention of Apple starts a Android/Apple split tit for tat.

So back to topic. OP mentioned that the Nav app is good. Did not mention however that it needs active gprs or 3g data to make it work. Recently holidaying in the scenic North West of England, data coverage very spotty indeed outside big towns. That would make any navigation app that wants to be online look a bit silly.

For a taste of what either Apple or Android smartphone satnav can do - WITHOUT a data connection - look no further than Navfree.
Navfree turn-by-turn navigation with voice works lovely on IOS 5 and iPhone 3s/iphone 4 too. The final address location on Navfree and incomplete postcode data are the main limitations. Compensated for by FREE maps to many popular countries.

While built-in turn-by-turn navigation on IOS 6 using will not work with anything below an iPhone 4s - which smacks of deliberate hobbling for marketing reasons.

gjchester

anewhope wrote: »

Expensive devices that do not perform as well as their pricing level suggests, hmm..

You are entirely missing my point.

It's not about price or performance, its about percieved user opinion and experience. If the experience was poor then they would not sell well.

Ask yourself why can companies not sell less than RRP or negotiate with Apple? Simple, they don't need to. Apple products sell very well without price cuts, if sales flag they could reduce the price, but sales are not and they don;t need to make reductions.

Why don't other phone makers have this hold? Because there is not the brand loyalty that Apple inspires.

Apple must be doing something well to get that loyalty. You can say iDevices are overpriced, that they are hyped and simply fashion items and that may be true, but people are willing to pay for any given iDevice so Apple have something right that other makers don't.

anewhope wrote: »

Choosing something instead of Apple does not make it a cheaper and inferior choice, it just happens that you can get equally as good - if not better - phones for less when you do.

But again it's nothing to do with price or features. Apple have great design and user experience, if they didn't then they would not sell as well.

It's not about how many features it has (or not) or the cost, its about peception of quality, Apple has it in spades compared to other phone makers.

mrochester

gjchester wrote: »

You are entirely missing my point.

It's not about price or performance, its about percieved user opinion and experience. If the experience was poor then they would not sell well.

Ask yourself why can companies not sell less than RRP or negotiate with Apple? Simple, they don't need to. Apple products sell very well without price cuts, if sales flag they could reduce the price, but sales are not and they don;t need to make reductions.

Why don't other phone makers have this hold? Because there is not the brand loyalty that Apple inspires.

Apple must be doing something well to get that loyalty. You can say iDevices are overpriced, that they are hyped and simply fashion items and that may be true, but people are willing to pay for any given iDevice so Apple have something right that other makers don't.




But again it's nothing to do with price or features. Apple have great design and user experience, if they didn't then they would not sell as well.

It's not about how many features it has (or not) or the cost, its about peception of quality, Apple has it in spades compared to other phone makers.

QFT! It's not about how many features a device has, it's also about how well implemented and easy they are to use, and what the experience is like when you're using them. This is what Apple have nailed.

Cash-Strapped.T32

gjchester wrote: »

Ask yourself why can companies not sell less than RRP or negotiate with Apple? Simple, they don't need to. Apple products sell very well without price cuts, if sales flag they could reduce the price, but sales are not and they don;t need to make reductions.

I agree they sell well, although in the scenario you describe, I imagine the carriers wish very much indeed that they had some control over the price they charge the end user.
They're not competing with Apple for sure, but they're competing with each other - And each one would probably sell thier children to be able to say "I can get you a new iPhone for less than that lot over there".

As soon as Apple loosen their grip, then the carriers would be putting the price up, down & sideways in order to compete for custom.
You'd get limited-time offers, sales, and all the normal to-ings & fro-ings of retail business.

This is anathema to the premium-product strategy.
Look what happened to Blackberry's image of a successful businessman's work tool - when the only people you ever with a BB was a powerful man in a sharp suit - after the teenage girls got into BBMing, and us plebs started using them instead of them being limited to business or politicos.
They were so-oo cool when you couldn't have one.

Apple aren't going to repeat that mistake any time soon, although in fairness they saw the "trap" long before RIM did.

But make no mistake, it's about image. I don't believe that if iOS was a little bit trickier to use than any other, it would make any significant difference to sales figures or the "I want it" factor.
Does anyone in this thread honestly think that it would make a jot of difference if iOS had a slightly steeper learning curve than Win Mo or Android, or Symbian, or BB's os?

23n1th

thegoodman wrote: »

I m sure aim of MSE is to find cheapest way to buy. Eg if you want to buy an iPhone what is the cheapest way.
Even Martin Lewis article on mobile and iphone have done that.
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/deals/cheap-iphone

Are you saying way ML running the site is all wrong?
He should not have done the report on iPhones because its not the cheapest phone?

There is no cheap way of buying an iphone.

mrochester wrote: »

You are so amazingly spot on!

Is it me or does it now seem like goodman, matilda and chester are the same person???

pingu wrote: »

Not in reply to anyone but is it me or is matilda the english speaking version of goodman???

Inews from Ibbc for Itroll

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18441845

That news story must be wrong according to the iTroll apple can do no wrong, ... <apple reality distortion field> they don't over-charge for their stuff, they don't try and sue competitors instead of competing with them, they don't lie to their customers, they don't price fix ebooks to keep prices artificially high, and they dont just dont do what that article suggests! You blaspheme you heretic!</apple reality distortion field>

Sorry about that apples reality distortion field just passed over me, they answer is yes, to all the above, they do.

gjchester wrote: »

You are entirely missing my point.

It's not about price or performance, its about percieved user opinion and experience. If the experience was poor then they would not sell well.

Its not about that at all. Apple have good advertising, dumb people believe it.

Ask yourself why can companies not sell less than RRP or negotiate with Apple? Simple, they don't need to. Apple products sell very well without price cuts, if sales flag they could reduce the price, but sales are not and they don;t need to make reductions.

Apples products sell at the price they do because apple control the price they sell at, thats why if you buy from a none apple store you generally pay more than if you buy straight from apple.

Why don't other phone makers have this hold? Because there is not the brand loyalty that Apple inspires.

Because their business model is different from apples, and they are not the control freaks apple are.

Apple must be doing something well to get that loyalty. You can say iDevices are overpriced, that they are hyped and simply fashion items and that may be true, but people are willing to pay for any given iDevice so Apple have something right that other makers don't.

what is it they say about an idiot and his money?? I forget, something about parted easily??

But again it's nothing to do with price or features. Apple have great design and user experience, if they didn't then they would not sell as well.

It's not about how many features it has (or not) or the cost, its about peception of quality, Apple has it in spades compared to other phone makers.

There's that reality distortion field again. You think apple are good because apple tell you they are good; the faithful rarely question, they just follow the crowd.