What phone to go for iPhone 4s , Android , Windows Phone or BlackBerry

cubegame

thegoodman wrote: »

Refer to the lnik below or search Google.
http://mobile.pcmag.com/device2/arti...2395299,00.asp

No more updates for Nexus one.

Google might not do it, but someone else will.....

However, I was more referring to your claim that a lack of an update would stop apps working. This is patently false and just belies a lack of knowledge of the android platform.

I presume Apple has a mechanism which means newer apps with requirements for specialist hardware will run on older phones without that hardware?

This is a genuine question as I don't know the answer and I'm not going to make things up to try and make a point as you seem to do regularly.

And can I ask, because I love to hear a fan boys opinion on this one.......why do Apple not allow their users to multitask still? :rotfl:

grumbler

Maybe I am old-fashioned, but I don't understand all this fuss about updates to the newest OS. If the original OS has no bugs, I am happy to have it on my phone during it 2-3 years lifespan. The newest OSs get developed for more powerful hardware and it doesn't make much sense to adapt them for the outdated hardware.
Personally, I hate updating my PC every few years to catch with the latest Windows OSs when Microsoft stop supporting older versions.

thegoodman

Toe-Jam wrote: »

http://www.itproportal.com/2011/10/26/ice-cream-sandwich-running-google-nexus-one-htc-desire-next/

Prove the point that Google is more intrested in making money and force people to upgarde. It seem your point of hardware is too old is the goolge line and you are wrong otherwise it would be impossible to port.

Most Android users perfer official update not hacks. The google is passing the updates to hacks.

thegoodman

grumbler wrote: »

Maybe I am old-fashioned, but I don't understand all this fuss about updates to the newest OS. If the original OS has no bugs, I am happy to have it on my phone during it 2-3 years lifespan. The newest OSs get developed for more powerful hardware and it doesn't make much sense to adapt them for the outdated hardware.
Personally, I hate updating my PC every few years to catch with the latest Windows OSs when Microsoft stop supporting older versions.

You may be using the phone to just make calls. Others like more functions, remove bugs and make the phone better. Also most poeple cant upgarde the phone for 2 years.

owen1978

Nexus one was released in Jan 2010 so the hardware is nearly 2 Years old.

The true beauty of open source is that my nearly 2 year old desire will be
getting ICS.

Seriously getting bored of this fanboism, imo if you are money saving expert then an android device is the way to go.

:money::money::money:

grumbler

thegoodman wrote: »

You may be using the phone to just make calls.

I can assure you that it is not the case. I use it for calls, texts, internet, e-mails, calendar, notes, games, music, satnav, voice and video recording, taking photos and other applications that use the above.

Others like more functions

Don't know abut others, but I think there are many other functions already available that I just don't need. Why would I want more?

£note

thegoodman wrote: »

I have read that google is not going to release the update to os version 4 for nexus one phone.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2395299,00.asp#fbid=Cha744aIsyN

This is sad news for people who have helped google to get into the mobile Market and also paid £500 for the phone. The nexus one was only released last year 2010. This seem like google is more interested in forcing people to upgrade so it can sell more phones and make more money. Feel sorry for people who have spend a lot of money and can't update the 2010 phone.

It is worth keeping in mind if you are thinking of buying new nexus or android phone. The phone may only be supported for a year.

It look like that android is moving more and more toward hacks, the hacker may find a way to update the os to ver 4. However I don't think most people will know how to or go hacking way to get the os ver 4. I am sure some will.

Like it or hate it at least apple support the products with updates for 3-4 years. You can still update the 3GS.

Is it not enough that you already have a platform for your anti android diatribe in the "which phone to go for" thread. Why not leave your keyboard for a while and get some fresh air, I think we'd all enjoy the rest!!!

Toe-Jam

thegoodman wrote: »

Prove the point that Google is more intrested in making money and force people to upgarde..

Thats a bit rich coming from an apple supporter !

Don't see any other manufactures, cutting the storage capacity in their devices by 50% when the latest one comes out, and pricing it so thats its not worth getting in comparison to the new one. Then leaving off the best software features even though the device is perfectly capable of running it and has been on sale in the app store for over a year.

mrochester

And can I ask, because I love to hear a fan boys opinion on this one.......why do Apple not allow their users to multitask still? :rotfl:

iOS has been a multitasking OS since day one. 3rd party apps gained the ability to use multitasking services in iOS 4, which was released in June 2010.

Seriously getting bored of this fanboism, imo if you are money saving expert then an android device is the way to go.

I actually think getting the best phone for your needs would be better advice. There'd be no point in someone getting an Android phone (MSE member or not) if they didn't like the OS or it didn't do something that they wanted.

Don't see any other manufactures, cutting the storage capacity in their devices by 50% when the latest one comes out, and pricing it so thats its not worth getting in comparison to the new one. Then leaving off the best software features even though the device is perfectly capable of running it and has been on sale in the app store for over a year.

There are different ways to make concessions as a means to make devices cheaper. For example, Google had Samsung make a Nexus S without a Super AMOLED screen. Samsung made the Galaxy SL which took away the Super AMOLED screen and faster graphics of the Galaxy S, and made it slightly thicker. The current iPhone 4 is exactly the same as the previous 16GB and 32GB models, but with 8GB storage capacity. It is simply a concession to make it cheaper.

Can we draw a line under this nonsense? Google and Apple are both capitalist, for profit companies. They both impose arbitary limitations as a means to push their latest wares. This is the nature of capitalism.

Cash-Strapped.T32

cubegame wrote: »

This is a genuine question as I don't know the answer and I'm not going to make things up to try and make a point as you seem to do regularly.

And can I ask, because I love to hear a fan boys opinion on this one.......why do Apple not allow their users to multitask still? :rotfl:

*emboldened for emphasis*
Taking a guess mate, but I would still hazard it's for the reasons I highlighted earlier, namely to prevent any possibility of apps conflicting, or user-inputs being the cause of glitches, etc.. that the devs can't account for before the event.
So it would come under the general heading of "Controlling the user-experience".

As it happens, iOS4 onwards can sort of multi-task, ie; it can pause some specific apps in the background and you can come back to them later, but of course you mean multi-tasking in the sense that I now have firefox open, am running a scan in the background, and I have several other programs open as well doing other things while I type this, or will sometimes have something playing in one window while working in another, etc..

grumbler wrote: »

Maybe I am old-fashioned, but I don't understand all this fuss about updates to the newest OS. If the original OS has no bugs, I am happy to have it on my phone during it 2-3 years lifespan. The newest OSs get developed for more powerful hardware and it doesn't make much sense to adapt them for the outdated hardware.
Personally, I hate updating my PC every few years to catch with the latest Windows OSs when Microsoft stop supporting older versions.

Totally agreed, and some on this thread (naming no names) seem to have utterly the wrong idea about updates.

Open Question; Did your old 386 with a 66mhz processor and all of 8mb ram suddenly keel over & die when Win98 came out?
(Well, it did if you tried to use it but that's beside the point )

Why haven't the Microsoft ninjas abseiled through my windows & confiscated my PC still happily running XP, which is a full 2 versions behind the current?


I would guess the answer is because it doesn't really matter what you're running, unless it has some real-life, detrimental effect on you which I haven't suffered, the Win95 guy in my example didn't suffer, and let's be honest, no-one on older versions of the Android is likely suffering either.

As an open source OS, the business model is simply different than Apple's, no better, no worse, just different.
The "core" os is supplied to the hardware (phone) devs by google, and they then tweak it according to the specific hardware in their phones.
Each phone company isn't likely to supply goggle with all their trade-secrets, so by necessity, the "final product" of each OS update (in the form of a new official ROM) will only come from the phone company, *not* from Google.

(this basic model maybe different for some dual-project phones like the google-branded nexus or whatever, but you get my drift)

By shifting the responsibility for updating each specific phone's ROM to it's manufacturer, the same core OS can be released for a whole multitude of phones, by a multitude of companies, as opposed to one Phone, one OS, one company.
As we all know, competition keeps prices down, and all that good stuff from school.
I think the bods like to call it a distributed model or some other modern gumph but it's fairy easy to understand the benefits of such a system.

In fact I'm surprised some politics student hasn't yet used Android & iOS as the basis for a capitalism vs communism thesis yet but that's totally getting off the point.. )

thegoodman wrote: »

You may be using the phone to just make calls. Others like more functions, remove bugs and make the phone better. Also most poeple cant upgarde the phone for 2 years.

thegoodman wrote: »

Most Android users perfer official update not hacks. The google is passing the updates to hacks.

In relation to the above, I'd point out that you sound like the old PC vs Apple Mac arguments of the 90's.
Updates for PCs would come in the way of Service Packs, innumerate little updates from MS, regular device-driver updates from as many different companies as make hardware, user hacks, registry tweaks, and that's before you even think about what *you* mean by updates, which are the roughly half-decade apart OS version changes, ie; from 95 to 98, 2K, XP, etc..

In short it was an utter mess if you wanted to paint it as such, but it worked.
For an individual user, nothing much happens if you miss an update, just as it is now for your phone (I'm still running 2.2 & have no need at all to update - a decision I'm used to making after having windows pcs for years).

I don't hear anyone trying to jump up & down on PCs for having such a crackers updating model - Why? Because we're all used it it, and it seems "normal" now.