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donnajunkie

oldmotherreilly wrote: »

No offence to anyone, but a rule is a rule and it doesn't matter whether you or I agree with it, the rule is that you cannot under JSA rules go abroad and claim during that period. You have to sign off and make a new claim (rapid reclaim) on your return from being abroad (and it doesn't just have to be for a holiday, there are all sorts of reasons why people go). What people do with being informed of the rule is up to them-we can only give you the information you have asked for and then its up to you to adhere to the rule or not. Simples.

well yeah basically what you are saying is right. however if a rule is stupid and you can get around it then why not. whether someone goes away to blackpool for a week or greece whats the difference they are still away for a week. whichever place they are at they are unlikely to do any jobsearch but do have the ability to if they choose.

donnajunkie

Anubis wrote: »

However, my point is you can't go abroad for a holiday and still expect to receive JSA. You Can however go abroad whenever you like, and accept that you forfeit JSA as a consequence.

yes that is the rule. do you agree with it though? if yes why? do you have an issue with people getting around that rule? for example they may just book their holiday at a time to not clash with signing on.

donnajunkie

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

So it isn't fraud if you can't be caught? Not a definition I've come across before.

i am not saying that. what i am saying is have a bit of common sense and look at the rule that is being broken before judging so harshly. people who do get found out breaking the rule we are talking about dont get prosecuted for fraud. they get sanctioned. if its fraud why dont they prosecute?

oldmotherreilly

I don't think anyone else should post on this thread-I think the OP has probably lost the will to live, let alone facing any consequence for what she has done! I think perhaps people need to think about the fact that the answer to the question that the OP originally asked has got lost in the large number of posts that followed about the ethics of the rule

Bogof_Babe

donnajunkie wrote: »

people are allowed 2 weeks away. people like quoting the rules here so there you go i have quoted one. anyway people can spend some time jobseeking while away cant they?
it may interest people to know that while on the old new deal people were allowed 10 days holiday and werent required to do jobsearch while on holiday. they were also allowed 10 days sick(holiday) were again they werent required to do jobsearch.

That says it all to me. Only a scrounger would consider permitted (paid) days off "sick" as secondary holidays.

soothyerboots

donnajunkie wrote: »

dont be so holier than thou. the rules surrounding holidays are stupid. the jobcentre never checks up or contacts you about a job when you are away. you are advocating stopping someones money just because they had a week away in greece, just because the rules say so. dont be such a......

Pipe down. Damn right the money should be stopped if that person broke the rules. If you are on holiday abroad, you aren't job searching, and therefore aren't fulfilling the terms required to have JSA. It is THAT simple.

nottslass_2

soothyerboots wrote: »

Pipe down. Damn right the money should be stopped if that person broke the rules. If you are on holiday abroad, you aren't job searching, and therefore aren't fulfilling the terms required to have JSA. It is THAT simple.

I searched for and applied for 2 jobs whilst on holiday recently .The wonders of modern technology make this entirely possible.

Sam____2

nottslass wrote: »

I searched for and applied for 2 jobs whilst on holiday recently .The wonders of modern technology make this entirely possible.

yes but if you got called to an interview at a days notice would you have been able to go? NO.

I don't see what the big issue is here, nobody says people on JSA shouldn't have holidays, you just can't expect to get paid for the time your abroad, seems fair enough to me, you don't like the rules then don't claim if it offends you so much!

Anubis_2

Anubis wrote: »

I have no issue with anyone having a holiday, I am fully aware that other family members may pay for the holiday, so it is not for me to judgement about that.

However, my point is you can't go abroad for a holiday and still expect to receive JSA. You Can however go abroad whenever you like, and accept that you forfeit JSA as a consequence.

nottslass wrote: »

I searched for and applied for 2 jobs whilst on holiday recently .The wonders of modern technology make this entirely possible.

I presume you were abroad. JSA requirements are three job applications, and you have to go to interviews. So, if you applied Monday, were then called for an interview two days later, you would not have been able to attend.

nottslass_2

Anubis wrote: »

I presume you were abroad. JSA requirements are three job applications, and you have to go to interviews. So, if you applied Monday, were then called for an interview two days later, you would not have been able to attend.

The closing date for applications was after I returned and if indeed I had of been "desperately" seeking work I'm sure that I could have found another job to apply for in order to meet the requirements.

The point is that it can be possible to be "actively seeking work" whilst out of the country.