iPhone or Galaxy 2?

23n1th

mrochester wrote: »

Better feel in the hand; the iPhone looks and feels like a premium device. I've dropped my iPhone plenty of times and it remains unscathed

You should speak to the 5 or 6 people in my work who are walking around with broken screens.

Actually the SGS2 feels better in the hand. Also not only does it look and feel like a premium phone it actually has the advantage of being a premium phone. And does so cheaper than the iphone. No brainer really.

mrochester

23n1th wrote: »

You should speak to the 5 or 6 people in my work who are walking around with broken screens.

Actually the SGS2 feels better in the hand. Also not only does it look and feel like a premium phone it actually has the advantage of being a premium phone. And does so cheaper than the iphone. No brainer really.

That's just your opinion of course, and one I wouldn't agree with. To me, the SGS2 feels like a £200 phone with a £500 pricetag. So yeah, actually, the iPhone 4 feels better in the hand

23n1th

mrochester wrote: »

That's just your opinion of course, and one I wouldn't agree with. To me, the SGS2 feels like a £200 phone with a £500 pricetag. So yeah, actually, the iPhone 4 feels better in the hand

Yep my opinion, I've tried to talk objectively with you but you do seem to grasp it. Objectively having a metal cover doesn't make it a better phone.

The facts in this case speak for themselves though, the SGS2 is simply a better phone. The SGS is on par with the iphone. Maybe the iphone 5 may draw level with the SGS2 but apple are playing catchup.

mrochester

23n1th wrote: »

Yep my opinion, I've tried to talk objectively with you but you do seem to grasp it. Objectively having a metal cover doesn't make it a better phone.

The facts in this case speak for themselves though, the SGS2 is simply a better phone. The SGS is on par with the iphone. Maybe the iphone 5 may draw level with the SGS2 but apple are playing catchup.

And objectively, having a bigger screen or Android, or anything else, doesn't make the SGS2 a better phone.

The facts in this case speak for themselves though, the iPhone 4 is simply a better phone. The SGS2 is nearly on a par with the iPhone 4 (which is already more than a year old now). The iPhone 5 will simply widen the gap.

You see how silly it is to try and pass opinion off as fact? Neither you nor I can say, as a statement of undisputed fact, that one phone is better than the other. It's simply your opinion that the SGS2 is better, and it's my opinion that the iPhone 4 is better. Potential buyers need to weigh up the pros and cons of both and pick whichever suits their needs the best.

23n1th

mrochester wrote: »

And objectively, having a bigger screen or Android, or anything else, doesn't make the SGS2 a better phone.

Yes it does. What planet are you living on? Better hardware = better phone. The specs sheets speak for themselves. The iphone 4 has less powerful hardware than the SGS2 fact, objectively it is inferior phone.

Subjectively you you are willing to go for an inferior phone because you like apple.

The facts in this case speak for themselves though, the iPhone 4 is simply a better phone. The SGS2 is nearly on a par with the iPhone 4 (which is already more than a year old now). The iPhone 5 will simply widen the gap.

You see how silly it is to try and pass opinion off as fact? [/quote]

Yes I see how silly it is, you should stop doing it. It makes you look foolish!

Neither you nor I can say, as a statement of undisputed fact, that one phone is better than the other. It's simply your opinion that the SGS2 is better, and it's my opinion that the iPhone 4 is better.

Using your moronic logic my Nokia 6700 is as good as the iphone 4.

The Nokia 6700 is not as good as Iphone 4, less the camera. But of course it has a metal cover so must be better than any other phone:rotfl: unless they too have a metal case.

Potential buyers need to weigh up the pros and cons of both and pick whichever suits their needs the best.

You have a little bit of sense after all.

mrochester

Yes it does. What planet are you living on? Better hardware = better phone. The specs sheets speak for themselves. The iphone 4 has less powerful hardware than the SGS2 fact, objectively it is inferior phone.

No it doesn't. What planet are you living on? Who says the SGS2 has better hardware? It's got a massive screen which makes it too big. It's made of plastic which makes it feel cheap. It has rubbish battery life. It has a comparitively low screen resolution which makes the picture grainy and blocky. The iPhone 4 has better materials, better build quality, higher screen resolution, better battery life, more pockable size, so objectively the SGS2 is an inferior phone.

Subjectively you are willing to go for an inferior phone because you like Samsung.

Yes I see how silly it is, you should stop doing it. It makes you look foolish!

Stop using words such as 'fact' and 'objectively' then because what you're saying is neither a 'fact' nor 'objective'.

Using your moronic logic my Nokia 6700 is as good as the iphone 4.

The Nokia 6700 is not as good as Iphone 4, less the camera. But of course it has a metal cover so must be better than any other phone:rotfl: unless they too have a metal case.

And using your logic the phone with the biggest screen (probably the Dell Streak) must be the best phone in the world because of that and no other phone could match it unless it has a 5" screen.

You have a little bit of sense after all.

I'm hoping some of it will wear off on you for when you next post

Anyway, we might be able to move forward on this topic if you stop trying to say that bigger numbers and more mhz make the SGS2 a better phone because there is a lot more to making a good phone than just slapping the fastest hardware together. There's also the software you need to consider, and how the user interacts with the phone, and the level of guidance, help and support that you also get.

You're entitled to your opinion that the SGS2 is the better phone, but it's just that, an opinion, and will never become a fact. And the exact same applies to me thinking the iPhone 4 is the better phone. Rather amusingly I had said 'I think' in the post where you accused me of stating opinion as fact. Assuming you don't understand the meaning, 'I think' is usually indicative of an expression of opinion, not fact.

23n1th

mrochester wrote: »

[STRIKE]No it doesn't[/STRIKE] You are correct. What planet are you living on?[STRIKE]Who[/STRIKE]The spec sheet says the SGS2 has better hardware? It's got a massive screen which makes it [STRIKE]too big[/STRIKE]better to watch things on browse the internet and various other things. It's made of plastic which makes it [STRIKE]feel cheap[/STRIKE] lighter, thinner and the antenna works properly. The iphone is also made of plastic and wouldn't work without those plastic bits It has rubbish battery life. Just like the iphone and pretty much every other smartphone. It has a comparitively low screen resolution which doesn't make[STRIKE]s[/STRIKE] the picture grainy and blocky. Its lower resolution is undetectable by the human eye in other words apple wasted their time. The iPhone 4 has [STRIKE]better materials[/STRIKE] different casing which causes the anntenna to malfunction and doesn't help the fragile screen, [STRIKE]better[/STRIKE] build quality is compromised by the antenna issue and fragile screen, higher screen resolution which means nothing in reality, it doesn't have better battery life, being fatter it doesn't have a more pocketable size, so objectively the SGS2 is a[STRIKE]n inferior[/STRIKE] better phone.

Obviously you've run out of anything worth while saying so I edited you ramble to reflect reality. I even know you next reply, it will be a parrot of this one. Predictable.

Subjectively you are willing to go for an inferior phone because you like Samsung.

I don't like samsung at all. I'm not tied to a manufacturer. I just like the SGS2 because when I got it it was the best phone on the market maybe still is. The next phone I get will be the best at the time of purchase whatever the make.

Stop using words such as 'fact' and 'objectively' then because what you're saying is neither a 'fact' nor 'objective'.

What saying the SGS2's processor is better has 2 cores and a faster clock speed on both than the iphone 4's single core is not a fact? The SGS2 has better connectivity is not a fact? SGS2 has a better camera is not a fact? Ect etc etc etc. Really? Don't be stupid.

And using your logic the phone with the biggest screen (probably the Dell Streak) must be the best phone in the world because of that and no other phone could match it unless it has a 5" screen.

No thats something you've made up. Point to the post where I said having a big screen made a phone better. Wait you can't because I didn't say it. Though having gorilla glass make the screen less likely to crack like the fragile iphone.

I'm hoping some of it will wear off on you for when you next post

Your kind of non sense wont rub off anywhere near me. Thankfully!

Anyway, we might be able to move forward on this topic if you stop trying to say that bigger numbers and more mhz make the SGS2 a better phone because there is a lot more to making a good phone than just slapping the fastest hardware together. There's also the software you need to consider, and how the user interacts with the phone, and the level of guidance, help and support that you also get.

At least you're now admitting the hardware is better in the SGS2, well done.

Software wise the operating systems are different and that is where user preference comes in because both systems are as capable as the other though one is more locked down and controlling.

Mrs_Ryan

Another reason I went for the SGS2 was that the screen is considerably bigger than the iphone. I have rubbish eyesight and a big screen is better for me. Plus the camera is considerably better. Come on - that you cant deny. 5 megapixels??? I had a 5 mp camera on my ancient Samsung G600!!! 8 megapixels on the SGS2 and it takes lovely clear pictures. I know several people who have been defrauded on itunes so thats why I dont trust Apple.
I have no truck with the technological arguments - the SGS2 works better for me and I just would never have an iphone. Thats it really.

mrochester

Obviously you've run out of anything worth while saying so I edited you ramble to reflect reality. I even know you next reply, it will be a parrot of this one. Predictable.

You're perfectly entitled to your opinion, I'm simply highlighting how you saying 'better hardware = better phone' is your opinion and not a fact.

I don't like samsung at all. I'm not tied to a manufacturer. I just like the SGS2 because when I got it it was the best phone on the market maybe still is. The next phone I get will be the best at the time of purchase whatever the make.

Same; I buy the best phone the market has to offer. Here's an original thought though, the best phone for me may or may not be different to the best phone for you!

What saying the SGS2's processor is better has 2 cores and a faster clock speed on both than the iphone 4's single core is not a fact? The SGS2 has better connectivity is not a fact? SGS2 has a better camera is not a fact? Ect etc etc etc. Really? Don't be stupid.

I think you're getting confused by mixing factual points and using them to determine what peoples' opinions should be. It is indeed a fact that the SGS2 has 2 cores and a faster clock speed. But does that make it a better phone? Not necessarily, because that will depend on your opinion. All you're doing is deciding that X, Y and Z are what makes a phone better and applying that logic to everyone, and that simply isn't the case. Like I said, it takes more than just slapping together really fast hardware to make a good phone.

No thats something you've made up. Point to the post where I said having a big screen made a phone better. Wait you can't because I didn't say it. Though having gorilla glass make the screen less likely to crack like the fragile iphone.

No, you're point appears to be that because the SGS2 has bigger numbers in the spec sheet, that makes it the better phone. So by that same logic, any phone that has a number bigger than the SGS2 must be even better than that. It's very silly when all you do to determine whether a phone is good or not is look at the spec sheet as there is a lot more to it than that.

At least you're now admitting the hardware is better in the SGS2, well done.

I didn't say anything of the sort. There are some places where the SGS2 has 'better' hardware and some places where the iPhone 4 has 'better' hardware, like I have said all along. The issue is, and always has been, your attempt to convince me that the iPhone 4 has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. That's fine, you can think that if you want, but it's just your opinion, and no amount of arguing against it is going to change my mind, or make it a fact. I have used both devices and made my own informed decision; I don't need the likes of you to tell me what to think. I'm not the poster asking for advice.

Software wise the operating systems are different and that is where user preference comes in because both systems are as capable as the other though one is more locked down and controlling.

And one is more 'open' and buggy, unstable and subject to malware! It's interesting that you note that it's OK for people to have a preference for differences in software, but it's not OK for people to have preferences for differences in hardware.

How do you explain that double standard?

Another reason I went for the SGS2 was that the screen is considerably bigger than the iphone. I have rubbish eyesight and a big screen is better for me. Plus the camera is considerably better. Come on - that you cant deny. 5 megapixels??? I had a 5 mp camera on my ancient Samsung G600!!! 8 megapixels on the SGS2 and it takes lovely clear pictures. I know several people who have been defrauded on itunes so thats why I dont trust Apple.
I have no truck with the technological arguments - the SGS2 works better for me and I just would never have an iphone. Thats it really.

Don't forget, megapixels aren't everything. I'm pretty sure the 2011 iPhone will feature a better camera. It's great that you've found a phone that works for you; that's what I'd advise everyone to look for.

bradfrankshaw_2

My wifes SGS2 bricked in less than 30 days due to "water damage" - she listened to music on it whilst on daily 30 min exercise bike routine. Carphone Warehouse says theyve had reports of "sweat damage" before. Sounds a load of cr*p but apparently iphones suffer the same thing.

So don't use either unless you are always in a sterile, water free, sweat free environment!