iPhone or Galaxy 2?

mrochester

bradfrankshaw wrote: »

My wifes SGS2 bricked in less than 30 days due to "water damage" - she listened to music on it whilst on daily 30 min exercise bike routine. Carphone Warehouse says theyve had reports of "sweat damage" before. Sounds a load of cr*p but apparently iphones suffer the same thing.

So don't use either unless you are always in a sterile, water free, sweat free environment!

I think as with the case of any phone, it pays to be careful and not subject it to scenarios where it could be damaged, especially with high value phones.

23n1th

mrochester wrote: »

You're perfectly entitled to your opinion, I'm simply highlighting how you saying 'better hardware = better phone' is your opinion and not a fact.

I think its safe to say better hardware = better phone. If that wasn't the case then we would all be carrying around 1980's phones because the 1980's phones are just as good as the iphone.

Same; I buy the best phone the market has to offer. Here's an original thought though, the best phone for me may or may not be different to the best phone for you!

Nothing original in that at all its common sense.

I think you're getting confused by mixing factual points and using them to determine what peoples' opinions should be. It is indeed a fact that the SGS2 has 2 cores and a faster clock speed. But does that make it a better phone?

Yes it does as its more capable of doing things. Answer me this, is the 3g iphone as good as the iphone 4??? Its not because the iphone 4 has better hardware and I believe software.

Not necessarily, because that will depend on your opinion. All you're doing is deciding that X, Y and Z are what makes a phone better and applying that logic to everyone, and that simply isn't the case. Like I said, it takes more than just slapping together really fast hardware to make a good phone.

No I'm not deciding. X Y Z are better - in reality. Thats what the spec sheet proves.

No, you're point appears to be that because the SGS2 has bigger numbers in the spec sheet, that makes it the better phone. So by that same logic, any phone that has a number bigger than the SGS2 must be even better than that. It's very silly when all you do to determine whether a phone is good or not is look at the spec sheet as there is a lot more to it than that.

A spec sheet based on the reality on the product, not on an opinion of it. Like I said before the 3g iphone is not a good as the iphone 4, whatever you opinion my be. You seem to be arguing that every opinion is correct. Opinions are wrong sometimes. I could be of the opinion that I was created by an invisible being with a zombie son but I'd still be wrong.

I'd say determining how good a phone is based on the reality on the hardware is preferable to how you seem to do it, ie, apple made it = therefore is brilliant and/or (this one confuses) its made of metal its awesome!

I didn't say anything of the sort. There are some places where the SGS2 has 'better' hardware and some places where the iPhone 4 has 'better' hardware, like I have said all along.

You haven't said that all along.

The issue is, and always has been, your attempt to convince me that the iPhone 4 has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

I wish you would stop making things up! At no time have I attempted to convince you that the iPhone 4 has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I am simply pointing out the SGS2 is a better phone.

That's fine, you can think that if you want, but it's just your opinion, and no amount of arguing against it is going to change my mind, or make it a fact. I have used both devices and made my own informed decision; I don't need the likes of you to tell me what to think. I'm not the poster asking for advice.

I'm not telling you what to think, simply pointing out reality its obvious only apple tell you what to think. Its seriously like debating with a creationist when talking to a mac fanboy. Ignore those facts.

And one is more 'open' and buggy, unstable and subject to malware!

Yep iOS is rock solid isn't it, never had any bugs or security problems/malware. Wait yes it has!!!

It's interesting that you note that it's OK for people to have a preference for differences in software, but it's not OK for people to have preferences for differences in hardware.

How do you explain that double standard?

Theres no double standard. Notice where I said the OS's are equably capable??? This is not the case with the hardware, the is an obvious difference.

hicky45

23n1th - the iphone 4 is hardware wise not as good as the galaxy s2 granted. However the iphone has been out a year longer. Specs in modern smart phones are not everything. The reason why iphones are as popular is because of the quality and ease of use. The vast majority of people don't care if a phone has 2 cores because at present, there isnt enough applications around to utlise it.

Im also curious as to which malware you're refering to the iphone ?

Love a good debate

23n1th

hicky45 wrote: »

23n1th - the iphone 4 is hardware wise not as good as the galaxy s2 granted. However the iphone has been out a year longer.

I'm not debating that. Its one of the reasons the SGS2 is better. I dare say that the hardware in the iphone 5 will be better than the SGS2.

Specs in modern smart phones are not everything. The reason why iphones are as popular is because of the quality and ease of use. The vast majority of people don't care if a phone has 2 cores because at present, there isnt enough applications around to utlise it.

Thats fair enough but I bet the iphone 5 will have one apps utilising it or not. I wonder why?

Im also curious as to which malware you're refering to the iphone ?

Love a good debate

Use google. And if your going to answer "but they were jail broken" the same applies to android users allowing installation of apps from other sources.

mrochester

I think its safe to say better hardware = better phone. If that wasn't the case then we would all be carrying around 1980's phones because the 1980's phones are just as good as the iphone.

Better hardware alone does not make a product better overall. There's a lot more to making a good phone than just slapping together the fastest hardware.

Yes it does as its more capable of doing things. Answer me this, is the 3g iphone as good as the iphone 4??? Its not because the iphone 4 has better hardware and I believe software.

Your point is suspiciously vague and apparently based on the notion of what a device might be able to do in the future rather than what it is actual capable of right now (which is what actually counts).

No I'm not deciding. X Y Z are better - in reality. Thats what the spec sheet proves.

Again, you're using the items listed on a spec sheet to 'prove' something that cannot be proven. The spec sheet says the SGS2 has a 480x800 pixel screen and the iPhone 4 has a 640x960 pixel screen. I assume that means the iPhone 4 is the better phone then?

A spec sheet based on the reality on the product, not on an opinion of it. Like I said before the 3g iphone is not a good as the iphone 4, whatever you opinion my be. You seem to be arguing that every opinion is correct. Opinions are wrong sometimes. I could be of the opinion that I was created by an invisible being with a zombie son but I'd still be wrong.

You're failing repeatedly to understand the basic concept that what makes a phone 'better' for one person is going to be different for another, and no amount of repeating the items listed on a spec sheet will ever change that. You think that the SGS2 spec sheet makes it a better phone. I don't. Your opinion is valid, and so is mine. But it's just that and nothing more; an opinion, not fact, not reality and not objective.

I'd say determining how good a phone is based on the reality on the hardware is preferable to how you seem to do it, ie, apple made it = therefore is brilliant and/or (this one confuses) its made of metal its awesome!

I prefer to base how good a phone is on a combination of the hardware, software and associated support. iPhone 4 hardware + iOS 4 + Apple support make the iPhone 4 the better phone in my opinion. The SGS2 could have the best hardware in the world but it would then fall foul at the software and associated support hurdles, so it wouldn't be the better phone overall in my books.

I wish you would stop making things up! At no time have I attempted to convince you that the iPhone 4 has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I am simply pointing out the SGS2 is a better phone.

In your opinion. And that's cool, you're entitled to your opinion.

I'm not telling you what to think, simply pointing out reality its obvious only apple tell you what to think. Its seriously like debating with a creationist when talking to a mac fanboy. Ignore those facts.

Right, so because I don't agree with you, I'm clearly a puppet on a string? I think you need to learn some respect and tolerance of other people's opinions.

Theres no double standard. Notice where I said the OS's are equably capable??? This is not the case with the hardware, the is an obvious difference.

Whether the two OSes are 'equally capable' is another matter entirely of course.

There is an obvious difference in the hardware; the iPhone 4 has a higher screen res, better battery life, and better materials and build quality.

Use google. And if your going to answer "but they were jail broken" the same applies to android users allowing installation of apps from other sources.

Installing apps from other sources doesn't require you to hack or alter an Android device; it can be done by default. And the vast majority of Android malware is from the Android Market, so you don't even need to change any settings on your device to end up infected.

Anyway, we might as well just leave it at you think the SGS2 is the better phone and I think the iPhone 4 is the better phone else we'll just continue to go around in circles.

hicky45

23n1th wrote: »

I'm not debating that. Its one of the reasons the SGS2 is better. I dare say that the hardware in the iphone 5 will be better than the SGS2.

Thats fair enough but I bet the iphone 5 will have one apps utilising it or not. I wonder why?

Use google. And if your going to answer "but they were jail broken" the same applies to android users allowing installation of apps from other sources.

For me the apps are better on the iPhone because of £ developers get paid a lot by apple and so more time is spent on the apps. The vast majority of apps will come on iOS first and then onto android because of that. The iphone5 will have many apps which use the dual cores much
like photo booth does for the iPad 2. I have a jailbroken iPhone and iPad and have never had an issue. I believe that iOS is more secure than android due to it not being open source. For the record I've worked in the phone industry for 3 years, have had many different brands etc but iOS just suits me better. People do not care which iPhone they have. They just want an iphone

23n1th

mrochester wrote: »

Better hardware alone does not make a product better overall. There's a lot more to making a good phone than just slapping together the fastest hardware.

Of course there is but better hardware is a good start. If it wasn't apple wouldn't have released any newer models.

Your point is suspiciously vague and apparently based on the notion of what a device might be able to do in the future rather than what it is actual capable of right now (which is what actually counts).

Things move on. Better phones come out. I take it you dont agree the the iphone 4 is better than the 3g? If you do think the iphone 4 is better you are a hypocrite.

Again, you're using the items listed on a spec sheet to 'prove' something that cannot be proven.

So the specs mean nothing and the hardware means nothing??? So what makes a good phone because if I'm mistaken its more that just opinion.

The spec sheet says the SGS2 has a 480x800 pixel screen and the iPhone 4 has a 640x960 pixel screen. I assume that means the iPhone 4 is the better phone then?

The iphone has a bigger resolution which is proven to be useless as the eye can't detect it.

You're failing repeatedly to understand the basic concept that what makes a phone 'better' for one person is going to be different for another, and no amount of repeating the items listed on a spec sheet will ever change that.

I fully understand that brand loyalty and fashion make people want stuff even in the face of facts. I also fully understand people have their opinions. What you are failing to understand is that I am talking about reality not opinion.

I could be of the opinion the earth is flat and was created 5000 years ago by an invisible being, that doesn't make my opinion true.

You think that the SGS2 spec sheet makes it a better phone.

No I think the better hardware makes the phone better. The spec sheet just proves it.

Your opinion is valid, and so is mine. But it's just that and nothing more; an opinion, not fact, not reality and not objective.

Ok so its not reality that the SGS2's processor is better, has 2 cores and a faster clock speed on both than the iphone 4's single core? Its not reality that the SGS2 has better connectivity? Its not reality that the SGS2 has a better camera? Ect etc etc etc. Really? Don't be stupid.

I prefer to base how good a phone is on a combination of the hardware, software and associated support. iPhone 4 hardware + iOS 4 + Apple support make the iPhone 4 the better phone in my opinion. The SGS2 could have the best hardware in the world but it would then fall foul at the software and associated support hurdles, so it wouldn't be the better phone overall in my books.

Whereas I chose the SGS2 because it was the most powerful phone on the market at the time, which was not my opinion, it just was.

Right, so because I don't agree with you, I'm clearly a puppet on a string? I think you need to learn some respect and tolerance of other people's opinions.

What because you think something that is wrong I need to respect it when you try and tell me its right? I dont think so.

Whether the two OSes are 'equally capable' is another matter entirely of course.

Of course it is. Though I find by apple suing nearly every android phone manufacturer they are worried it might be better.

There is an obvious difference in the hardware; the iPhone 4 has a higher screen res, better battery life, and better materials and build quality.

There are too may disadvantages to the iphone 4 to list. I've already covered the above you keep repeating.

Installing apps from other sources doesn't require you to hack or alter an Android device; it can be done by default.

By default you can't. Its not enabled

And the vast majority of Android malware is from the Android Market, so you don't even need to change any settings on your device to end up infected.

Yep you just need to download any titty app willy nilly and allow it to install.

Anyway, we might as well just leave it at you think the SGS2 is the better phone and I think the iPhone 4 is the better phone else we'll just continue to go around in circles.

Thats true, despite the actual facts.

hicky45 wrote: »

For me the apps are better on the iPhone because of £ developers get paid a lot by apple and so more time is spent on the apps.

No the developers pay apple large £ to use the app store.

I have a jailbroken iPhone and iPad and have never had an issue.

I have had 3 android phones and never had any issues.

I believe that iOS is more secure than android due to it not being open source.

Obviously you dont fully understand the advantages of open source software.

For the record I've worked in the phone industry for 3 years, have had many different brands etc but iOS just suits me better. People do not care which iPhone they have. They just want an iphone

For the record I haven't worked in the phone industry ever. I have had many different brands and atm the SGS2 suit me better. Your last 2 sentences sums up the problem with fan boys.

JJ_Egan

Choice is what its all about .
Put an Iphone 4 SGS 2 and any other device in your hands and see which you like best .

Simple enough to do then you can make the decision as to how much and what network etc .


Me
SGS2 unlocked running on GiffGaff PAYG

jje

23n1th

JJ_Egan wrote: »

Choice is what its all about .
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Not if you ask apple!

PhylPho

Slightly O/T, I know, but. . . We've never had a mobile phone on contract. Both my wife and I have always been PAYG. And we've never had a 'smartphone'.

But now that we're travelling a lot in our retirement, the need for better mobile comms has become obvious. We're not fans of Apple so are having to decide between HTC and Samsung.

We had been thinking about buying either the desire or Galaxy and running it on, say, GiggGaff, but the purchase cost is high (for our purse!) But what's really confused is that a business friend says it's always, but alwaysd, better to go with a contract provider in the case of a smartphone ('they're not so much a phone as a mobile computer, and they can and do go wrong') because in the event of a problem, a faulty phone will be replaced by the supplier, whereas 'if you've bought the phone outright, you're going to have send it back and yourself wait for a repair.'

We've looked at complaints from disgruntled owners of both HTC and Samsung smartphones on TechRadar; the repairs service of both companies in the UK seems lousy. Some users have been without their HTC or Samsung phone for up to 2 months.

So. . . Is it the case that you're better 'protected' against a faulty product if you're paying out on a monthly contract -- i.e., because of the contract, you're not left for up to two months without your phone???

Advice appreciated -- thanks!