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The census is after me?
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I would imagine the fine will refelct the costs invoved, for chasing Sublime for his form. If they have to send a collector around six times, for example, I'd imagine they would impose the maximum penalty.The greater danger, for most of us, lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark0
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If the Government already has the information, what's the problem with sharing it again? At most, you could accuse them of being disorganised.
This was an interesting point, that I thought worth exploring.
It's my guess, that though they have MOST of the information already, to draw together all the different sources, (and risk mistakes) they find it more efficient and cheaper to carry out a census.
So... disorganised?0 -
Which is the reason why CamerWrong wants to dispense with the census. He wants funding to be controlled by central government...so much for small government.
They won't do away with the census. It's essential.
The intention is to get it all done on-line, and save millions on manpower, paper and postage costs.0 -
They know who the occupier is by way of council tax payments and they know their national insurance number due to benefits claims and wages.
Ever heard of Experian or Equifax ?
Those firms are under the same umbrella as the Lockheed Martin Corporation
An army of 29,000 census collectors will begin house-to-house calls chasing people who have not yet filled in and returned their questionnaire.
This is a private company with ZERO enforcement powers.
They can only fine you £1000 if you AGREE to it.
Don't give your name when they come round or any details otherwise you are entering a contract.
Don't say you have not done it either just tell them it's your right not to give your personal details to strangers knocking at your door especially when they have no authority over you.
Or just ignore them as you have to give your consent to be charged with a statutory law or act of parliament.
And giving your name is giving consent.
Treat the census-door-knockers the same as tv licence salesmen (inspectors).
No Contact. Do not write back, telephone, or sign anything etc.
No Comment. Keep yer gob shut! Walk away in silence.
Do not open the door to them.
IF you do inadvertently open the door, e.g. because you are going out,
and one is infecting your doorstep, shut the door again without saying anything at all.
They will go away in a few minutes.
With tv licensing, if you do not sign their form,
which is really a pre-prepared statement that you watch tv
and have no license (an admission of guilt in their eyes),
they have no name to prosecute, and no evidence (confession) either.
Census bods will have the same powers as tv licensing i.e. none - unless you agree.
By avoiding them, no agreement can take place, therefore nothing can be done to you.
And lastly some food for thought:- An aquaintance of mine went to sign on last week after losing his job last month. He sat down and filled in the relevant forms to claim jsa. Then the woman asked him to sign another piece of paper which was optional and didn't affect the jsa payment. He read it and this is what it said....
"We would like to share your information between the dwp and other government departments FOR RESEARCH PURPOSES. Please sign if you agree."more dollar$ than sense0 -
I read that some countries had binned it. Denmark may have been one of these, not sure.They won't do away with the census. It's essential.
Also the government has stated that this may be the last census of this kind. Cameron himself previously called it 'invasive'!!
That said I have a link somewhere to an official statement that the next one could be a European wide one (Eurostat) or at the least, data sharing..
Quote: European Union regulations require all member states to provide statistics to Eurostat by the end of March 2014. The information supplied by the UK will come from our census statistics.
Does anyone else still think we are a sovereign nation?
I'm old enough to remember when this was sold to us as 'The Common Market'.0 -
I read that some countries had binned it. Denmark may have been one of these, not sure.
Also the government has stated that this may be the last census of this kind. Cameron himself previously called it 'invasive'!!
That said I have a link somewhere to an official statement that the next one could be a European wide one (Eurostat) or at the least, data sharing..
Quote: European Union regulations require all member states to provide statistics to Eurostat by the end of March 2014. The information supplied by the UK will come from our census statistics.
Does anyone else still think we are a sovereign nation?
I'm old enough to remember when this was sold to us as 'The Common Market'.
You can't say they've "binned it", and then say the "next one will be a Europe wide census".0 -
Some of the rubbish in this thread makes me believe I've stumbled into an alternative universe inhabited by mad Daily Mail readers!0
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They know who the occupier is by way of council tax payments and they know their national insurance number due to benefits claims and wages.
Ever heard of Experian or Equifax ?
Those firms are under the same umbrella as the Lockheed Martin Corporation
An army of 29,000 census collectors will begin house-to-house calls chasing people who have not yet filled in and returned their questionnaire.
This is a private company with ZERO enforcement powers.
It is not Loockheed Martin who will be doing any enforcement. It will be the Government.They can only fine you £1000 if you AGREE to it.
Do write so much rot, where on Earth did you get that from?Don't give your name when they come round or any details otherwise you are entering a contract.
Don't say you have not done it either just tell them it's your right not to give your personal details to strangers knocking at your door especially when they have no authority over you.
Or just ignore them as you have to give your consent to be charged with a statutory law or act of parliament.
And giving your name is giving consent.
Treat the census-door-knockers the same as tv licence salesmen (inspectors).
No Contact. Do not write back, telephone, or sign anything etc.
No Comment. Keep yer gob shut! Walk away in silence.
Do not open the door to them.
IF you do inadvertently open the door, e.g. because you are going out,
and one is infecting your doorstep, shut the door again without saying anything at all.
They will go away in a few minutes.
With tv licensing, if you do not sign their form,
which is really a pre-prepared statement that you watch tv
and have no license (an admission of guilt in their eyes),
they have no name to prosecute, and no evidence (confession) either.
Census bods will have the same powers as tv licensing i.e. none - unless you agree.
By avoiding them, no agreement can take place, therefore nothing can be done to you.
And lastly some food for thought:- An aquaintance of mine went to sign on last week after losing his job last month. He sat down and filled in the relevant forms to claim jsa. Then the woman asked him to sign another piece of paper which was optional and didn't affect the jsa payment. He read it and this is what it said....
"We would like to share your information between the dwp and other government departments FOR RESEARCH PURPOSES. Please sign if you agree."
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
What will you tell them when the non-compliance officers start dropping letters through the door fining you for not completing the census? Don't forget, they know who the occupier is at any address. If you refuse, you are inviting a prosecution.The greater danger, for most of us, lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark0 -
Originally Posted by taxi97w
They can only fine you £1000 if you AGREE to it
Yes to your entire post:beer:. Just to add don't forget those little words up to, when mentioning £1000. It makes a world of difference
Maybe I'll use that excuse when I rob a bank, "you can't charge me with that, becasue I won't let you, Nahnah nah nahnah."
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:The greater danger, for most of us, lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark0
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