Need Some 'Real' Help Here! [Denied IS, CA & Crisis Loan]

RAS

Marv02 wrote: »

Jesus Christ ALREADY!!! GO AWAY! This is the FINAL time I will be replying to your completely god damn irreverent replies! HE NEVER WENT WITH HIS OWN CAR, THEY BOTH WENT IN THE FRIENDS CAR WHICH WAS COMPLETELY OUT OF LUCK THAT THE FRIEND WAS ALREADY GOING! Jeez.

Hi

Just click on baza52's name, go to profile and then go to user list(second tab on the pale green bar) and click add to ignore list.

That get's rid of him.

thorsoak

Marv02 wrote: »

Hypothetically speaking, lets say I was never in the picture... Is there ANYTHING else my mother could do other then register for JSA? If not, I guess we'll see what JC has to say, if they also decline her for JSA, I'll just have to figure something out, and take it from there.

Thanks again.

With respect, Marv02, it would appear that your mother had never paid any tax/NI in this country, and that although your father might have done so at one stage, he was not contributing when he literally abandoned his wife and children here in the UK to look after his parents abroad. I appreciate that it must have been a difficult position that he was in - but maybe you have to emulate his example and look after YOUR mother and siblings.

Sadly the benefits available here are not held in a bottomless pot...:(

welshmoneylover

Have you contacted your father at all and alerted him to the dire position his wife has been left in?

squeaky

Hmm...

I've read this with interest and been heartened by the amount of good solid advice that you have been offered here.

One thing I might add is that if you and/or your mum are struggling to understand the way all the various agencies work and the forms that you will inevitably have to deal with - perhaps the Citizen's Advice Bureau will be able to help you.

But honestly, OP... it does look as though things are going to take a fair bit of time to resolve and, since your father is away helping out his parents - the suggestion that you give up your own flat for a while and live with your parent and siblings is not an unreasonable one. Just until things get back to normal.

It's not an easy option, I know - but one that all too many people find themselves facing these days.

Or is it that you don't want to give up your own independence and freedom?

dktreesea

enabledebra wrote: »

OP- your mum should be entitled to claim Income Support as she falls within 'a prescribed category of persons' eligible under para 23 of Schedule 1(B) of the Income Support General Regulations 1987:

Member of couple looking after children while other member temporarily abroad
23. A person who is a member of a couple and who is treated as responsible for a
child who is a member of his household where the other member of that couple is
temporarily not present in the United Kingdom.

You can point them in the direction of para 20181 of their own 'DMG- decision makers guide' for accessible confirmation of this category.

The age of the child/ren isn't relevant for claims under this category as it is for lone parent claims.

She should challenge the Income Support decision by requesting a 'revision' in writing identifying those grounds (I'm not sure how long ago the decision was made but the one month time limit for challenging decisions doesn't apply when there has been an error of law- it's known as an 'any time' revision). Or if she hasn't actually claimed yet she should do so now: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTaxAndBenefits/BenefitsTaxCreditsAndOtherSupport/On_a_low_income/DG_185670

She should then make an application for a Crisis Loan explaining she is awaiting the outcome of her Income Support claim on form SF401: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Diol1/DoItOnline/DG_4017683

Keep copies of your letters and forms where possible but certainly keep detailed notes of dates/conversations etc.

OP, this is good advice. It makes no difference which other independent family members your Mum can beg/borrow/ask for support from. I suggest you get more involved in this, get someone at the CAB to help you both go through this process and then also get your MP involved. It's outrageous that the DWP should make someone destitute and not in a position to house and feed her family just because some DWP jobsworth decided she shouldn't get anything. Interpreting the law doesn't mean ignoring it and doing something outside the law.

dktreesea

welshmoneylover wrote: »

I think the OPs father will have a damned difficult job re-claiming any incapacity benefits when he returns from abroad.

And quite rightly so too.

It is not British taxpayers job to support a Turkish family who after 20 years hasn't even bothered to learn the language.

Can she not return to Turkey with her husband and claim benefits from the Turkish government? At least she will understand form filling a little easier.

Good luck.

Since when was learning to speak the local language a requirement for qualifying for benefits? So the Mum doesn't speak good English. Well, for benefits there is no requirement to be able to do so and never has been. Do I think that's an omission in the law? For sure, but nevertheless since it isn't a requirement, why begrudge this family their benefits for the last however many years?

As for saying can she not go back to Turkey with her husband, perhaps you could look at it from another point of view. Should a dependent child be deprived of the care of his mother just because the father can no longer be here for whatever period of time?

thorsoak wrote: »

With respect, Marv02, it would appear that your mother had never paid any tax/NI in this country, and that although your father might have done so at one stage, he was not contributing when he literally abandoned his wife and children here in the UK to look after his parents abroad. I appreciate that it must have been a difficult position that he was in - but maybe you have to emulate his example and look after YOUR mother and siblings.

Sadly the benefits available here are not held in a bottomless pot...:(

Since when was it the children's responsibility to support their parents in Britain? Did I miss something here? The OP's mother and father and their dependents were/are entitled to support under the law. The word is "entitled", whether you agree with it or not. There are heaps of people claiming benefits in Britain, local people native to Britain, who have never paid income taxes/national insurance and never will. But to say they have paid no taxes at all is taking it a bit far, surely? What about VAT, fuel tax, road tax, to name but three which probably swallowed up a significant portion of their benefits every week.

Plus, if our government had been so keen to get the father working and off benefits, - or get his wife to go out to work instead - don't you think they have had plenty of opportunity to give them whatever support they needed to achieve just that? Well, guess what. Our dear leaders decided to do nothing to help this family into work and pay them benefits instead. It's a bit late to complain about this now, isn't it?

Sorry to sound so nippy, but it really makes me mad, the way jobsworths in the various government departments want to stop all support for people suddenly, when they have had little or no support to improve their situation and become self sufficient for, in some cases, decades. Yes, not just years but decades.

Loopy_Girl

dktreesea wrote: »

all support for people suddenly, when they have had little or no support to improve their situation

How do you know they have had no support?

How do you know that the Father didn't cite his heart problems as a reason not to work (but yet managed to sit in a car for a very long car journey)?

How do you know that the Mother said she couldn't work as she couldn't speak the language (and I agree with the poster that it's ridiculous after 20 years that she hasn't bothered to learn the language. It's both lazy and disrespectful. If you are expecting the UK Government to fund your lifestyle then the least you can do is learn the basic language)?

You don't any more than I do as the OP hasn't furnished us with that info which makes your rant irrelevant.

thorsoak

Since when was it the children's responsibility to support their parents in Britain?

But if the father is supporting HIS parents in Turkey - should the son not emulate his father's actions?

Familial responsibility is not a Bad thing!

FBaby

How about you take your mum and brothers to Turkey with your new car when you are yourself going on holiday. Then your mum could stay there to look after her parents in low whilst your dad returns with you and your brothers. When his father passes away, your mum can come back with her mother in law.
Or of course, they could decide to all stay there.

RAS

Folks

A number of posts were removed last night, which recommended similar solutions to those your are proposing. Not sure if the posters have been PPRed. So leave it alone.