Need Some 'Real' Help Here! [Denied IS, CA & Crisis Loan]

Marv02

julie03 wrote: »

i know your stressed and upset but saying " i hope you die somehow" is uncalled for and unnecessary.

I believe it was the right thing to say Julie, and I stand by it... He took out a grudge on me due to another thread, and like the sad person he is, went clicking on peoples accounts to attack them. It's sad. Every post or point he made was nothing but taking things out of context/or literally making things up.

Hope that clears that up.

crossstitchamy

is it called ESA? its for people who a restricted to do things if you are ill or disabled.

Marv02

crossstitchamy wrote: »

is it called ESA? its for people who a restricted to do things if you are ill or disabled.

Nope. Shes nor ill, nor disabled. So I don't think she'll apply. Thanks anyways.

julie03

Marv02 wrote: »

I believe it was the right thing to say Julie, and I stand by it... He took out a grudge on me due to another thread, and like the sad person he is, went clicking on peoples accounts to attack them. It's sad. Every post or point he made was nothing but taking things out of context/or literally making things up.

Hope that clears that up.[/QUOTE

it does but sometimes its best to ignore and rise above it

RacyRed

I know you are not going to like this suggestion OP, but would it not help your family if you were to move back home temporarily and use what you currently pay in rent to help support your Mum and brothers?

I know no-one likes to have to do that sort of thing, but sometimes it is the only way.

Marv02

RacyRed wrote: »

I know you are not going to like this suggestion OP, but would it not help your family if you were to move back home temporarily and use what you currently pay in rent to help support your Mum and brothers?

I know no-one likes to have to do that sort of thing, but sometimes it is the only way.

Thanks for the reply. I have actually considered it, but it was just a thought that crossed my mind. I'd rather leave that to the dearest of last resorts if I ever had to.

I originally started this thread to get suggestions if there was anything my mother could do, without me having to take action, but idiots where quick to turn the subject on me and it spiralled out of control. Why should I have considered doing such a thing like that without seeking advise first? It was only so natural to ask.

Hypothetically speaking, lets say I was never in the picture... Is there ANYTHING else my mother could do other then register for JSA? If not, I guess we'll see what JC has to say, if they also decline her for JSA, I'll just have to figure something out, and take it from there.

Thanks again.

CFC

Marv02 wrote: »

I believe it was the right thing to say Julie, and I stand by it... He took out a grudge on me due to another thread, and like the sad person he is, went clicking on peoples accounts to attack them. It's sad. Every post or point he made was nothing but taking things out of context/or literally making things up.

Hope that clears that up.

It certainly doesn't clear it up. It's not the right thing to say just because you are feeling thinskinned. It's nobody else's fault that your mother and father moved here, leaving his elderly parents in Turkey with nobody else around to help them, or that they chose to move away from their family.

a) uk taxpayers have no obligation to support your family while your father is in Turkey tending to his own parent's problems if he is claiming IS
b) your father presumably believed his IS money would just go rolling into the bank while he was out of the country and he took no forethought nor made arrangements as to what might happen to his own family in his absence. There's been a review of his IS claim for a reason.
c) if your mother is not eligible for benefits then of course she is not eligible for a crisis loan. The fact that she has no money is not the problem of the benefits system if she is not eligible for benefits. The welfare state is not some kind of liberal bank.
d) Your mother will have to make herself available for work UNLESS your brother is assessed as needing a high level of care. Still, rest assured that as she can barely speak english (after 20 years?) the likelihood of her actually getting a job hence getting off JSA is very low.


This is the way the benefits system works. You either have to make yourself available for work or have an extremely good reason to get a carer's allowance. You may think it is harsh. (If you are disgusted by it, your family can always try the benefits system in Turkey and see if that is a more helpful place to be. I have no idea what the Turkish Welfare System is like...)

By the way, if you check your thread asking when the JCP are open and closed for signing on over Xmas you will find an answer has been posted. As with your 'driving to Turkey' post, there is an answer to your question.

I note that all the threads are within 2/3 days of each other. I wish you and your family luck with any proposed trip over Christmas......

Marv02

Please for the love of God don't give fuel to the trolls. But I'll try to answer your question to the fullest. Then I'm giving up.

CFC wrote: »

It certainly doesn't clear it up. It's not the right thing to say just because you are feeling thinskinned.

But its fine for him to lie, take things out of context, and just plainly go trolling on other peoples thread's because he had a grudge? Wow. What I said must have been powerful enough for people to take his trolling as a joke, and to take what I said literally. I appreciate the fact that you guys never took him seriously.

It's nobody else's fault that your mother and father moved here, leaving his elderly parents in Turkey with nobody else around to help them, or that they chose to move away from their family.

Not a valid point. They moved here 20 years ago. Not yesterday. And yes, 20 years ago, up untill a few years ago, there where two siblings around... When they where still alive.

a) uk taxpayers have no obligation to support your family while your father is in Turkey tending to his own parent's problems if he is claiming IS

This wasn't the point of the thread, but would it have made a differnce if he was, or wasn't here? Would it have really mattered who was claiming for I.S, if the end payment/result was the same? Telling me I should have done things THEN, is really no help. I've obviously realised that mistake, and is the reason I'm here for advice.

b) your father presumably believed his IS money would just go rolling into the bank while he was out of the country and he took no forethought nor made arrangements as to what might happen to his own family in his absence. There's been a review of his IS claim for a reason.

Something we found out too late. And as you can see, we all now know, seen as I'm here.

c) if your mother is not eligible for benefits then of course she is not eligible for a crisis loan. The fact that she has no money is not the problem of the benefits system if she is not eligible for benefits. The welfare state is not some kind of liberal bank.

I've answered this MANY times. They never declined her due to not being on benefits... I just got stupid and said that she had friends or family that may be able to help her. Remind me never to say "may" to anything official again.

d) Your mother will have to make herself available for work UNLESS your brother is assessed as needing a high level of care. Still, rest assured that as she can barely speak english (after 20 years?) the likelihood of her actually getting a job hence getting off JSA is very low.

This is something that I am considering asking tommorow when I call, who I should get in contact with to get my brothers case reviewed. Apparently my father has to be present. (we just didn't know it was possible... Why are people not understanding this?)

This is the way the benefits system works. You either have to make yourself available for work or have an extremely good reason to get a carer's allowance. You may think it is harsh. (If you are disgusted by it, your family can always try the benefits system in Turkey and see if that is a more helpful place to be. I have no idea what the Turkish Welfare System is like...)

I never attacked the benefit system, It helped my father out quite a bit in the months he was on I.S.

By the way, if you check your thread asking when the JCP are open and closed for signing on over Xmas you will find an answer has been posted. As with your 'driving to Turkey' post, there is an answer to your question.

I know. At first I thought my mother had to sign on because they mentioned something about a work focused interview, that's why I asked if they where open during December, and if not, how will it work? Please don't take things out of context, otherwise you'll start feeding trolls.

I note that all the threads are within 2/3 days of each other. I wish you and your family luck with any proposed trip over Christmas......

Thanks. I'll be sure to buy a car, pay for its insurance, pay £150 on fuel, drive abroad a few thousand miles to my splendid holiday destination (Antalya... Bodrum, anyone?) kick back at the beach and zip on a martini or two... All on a minimum wage paycheck. Oh, and of course my mothers JSA, I'm sure that will buy us a round for all to enjoy.... Hell... I invite you all to come along, its on me. (honestly, do you make sense of what you point out?)

f you have doubts, don't take things out of context by squeezing things between lines calling me a liar. It's hurtful. I'm not the type that walks into a JC with the latest £400 phone in hand, with a set newly off the shelf £120 Nikey trainers claiming JSA for pot money. I'm trying to make a living, and advice is all I wanted.

baza52

Marv02 wrote: »

blah blah blah
I hope you die somehow. Anything, as long as it stops you from making another post here.

I am going to die somehow. We all are.
Thats life.
Whats going to happen when grandad has gone? will dad still have to stay in turkey to look after his mum or will she be moving over here too.

You were never clear if your dad went to look ater his father who is in hospital receiving care or his mother who has lost the plot and doesnt know if she has eaten or not.

As your on such a low wage would it not be possible for YOU to go to turkey to look after your grandparents and then dad can return home.

How many threads have been about this same problem. are you aware your mum is asking the same question here too but giving slightly different versions of events?

baza52

another very recent post from you...

Marv02 wrote: »

What my real question is, if they do accept the application.... How much is she looking to get paid? I mean, previously, the £158 that was paid was just within the penny range in covering the weekly expenses... I'm not quite sure she'll be able to live of anything lower.

So is the real question "can my mum claim MORE now she is a single parent?"
your other thread says you cant contact dad. you even made a joke about looking up a word...
now you dont want to contact him in case it worries him what with the heart condition and all...

Cant you not see what i am saying ?
All your after is pound notes. and the more the merrier

The more i think about it, you work a minimum wage job and barely scrape by each week yet your grandfathers pay is enough for 2 people to live off.
would it not make sense for YOU to move out there for a while with your gran and have your living expences covered then dad can come home and sort the rest of the family out.

I mean, how long will dad realistically be out there? If he has to stay to look after his paralysed mum it could be years.