Road rage!!!

skiddlydiddly

darich wrote: »

aka queuejumpers.....the cause of much road rage and annoyance.

Driving to the start of the lane closure and forcing your way in shows a lack of observation, planning and is a danger to yourself, other drivers and workers within the lane closure.

The "empty lane" is empty because most drivers have planned ahead and moving along into the narrower section. The majority of hold ups are caused by poor drivers using the lane which is closed ahead and causing other, more considerate, drivers to slow down.

You probably won't even have noticed how the "buttplugs" as you call them cause the traffic ahead of them to speed up because there are no clowns forcing their way in. This means no braking in the main queue for all the observant and considerate drivers.....and the speed increases due to that forward planning. Once the "buttplug" enters the closure, the drivers behind are once again subjected to increased delays and emergency stops due to impatient idiots who think they know better.

The lane ahead is closed for a reason........and you're often given miles of notice. Leaving it to the last 100yards is shocking driving, however you want to dress it up and excuse it. Perhaps you should read the highway code in particular the section titled "Think". It specifically states to get into the right lane....not "drive to the start of the closure and join in the last 100yards"

Eventually you'll come up against someone like me on the road - I'll refuse to let you in, and you'll lose your no claims bonus because of it. I'll also have a line of witnesses equally annoyed at your lack of consideration. I've done it before even though I have a nicer car than most.....I'd do it again. Worryingly though, that drivers hasn't learned and still queuejumps....maybe it's a trait of queuejumpers - an inability to learn from mistakes.

THINK!

The THINK! safety campaign advises drivers to take extra care at roadworks. In particular:

• keep to the speed limit - it's there for your safety
• get into the correct lane and don't keep switching
• focus on the road ahead, not on the roadworks
• be alert for works traffic entering or leaving the roadworks
• keep a safe distance from the car in front - there could be queues ahead
• pay attention to the road signs

Where does it say anything about 100 yards, I couldn't see that bit?

Unless its telling you to change lanes right away then either lane is the correct lane and those coming down in lane thats closing aren't doing anything wrong-assuming they are doing an appropriate speed.Problems arrive when they try and merge towards the start of the roadworks and the British sense of fairplay and queue jumping kick in and people try and prevent the other cars from getting in.

If you're prepared to have an accident with someone just to prove a point about what you consider pushing in, but which in reality is what you are supposed to do then you are more of a danger than they are.The most efficient way is actually merging in turn ie 1 car from each lane at a time.

Personally I will travel so far down in the closing lane then will merge with say 100-150 yards to go to avoid any potential confrontations with vehicles who think they are the road police.

King_Nothing

darich wrote: »

Perhaps you should read the highway code in particular the section titled "Think". It specifically states to get into the right lane....not "drive to the start of the closure and join in the last 100yards"

And I have read the highway code, clearly it's you who needs to brush up on it, I recommend point 134 as a starting point to read, if you want to miss out the earlier stuff:

134
You should follow the signs and road markings and get into the lane as directed. In congested road conditions do not change lanes unnecessarily. Merging in turn is recommended but only if safe and appropriate when vehicles are travelling at a very low speed, e.g. when approaching road works or a road traffic incident. It is not recommended at high speed.

skiddlydiddly

It says do not change unnecessarily ie don't keep swapping lanes, not do not change lanes from the closing lane to the open lane.
It also tells you to merge, and specificly gives the example of doing so when approaching road works.
It tells you not to do it at high speed, well thats common sense.

darich

skiddlydiddly wrote: »

THINK!

The THINK! safety campaign advises drivers to take extra care at roadworks. In particular:

• keep to the speed limit - it's there for your safety
• get into the correct lane and don't keep switching
• focus on the road ahead, not on the roadworks
• be alert for works traffic entering or leaving the roadworks
• keep a safe distance from the car in front - there could be queues ahead
• pay attention to the road signs

Where does it say anything about 100 yards, I couldn't see that bit?

Unless its telling you to change lanes right away then either lane is the correct lane and those coming down in lane thats closing aren't doing anything wrong-assuming they are doing an appropriate speed.Problems arrive when they try and merge towards the start of the roadworks and the British sense of fairplay and queue jumping kick in and people try and prevent the other cars from getting in.

If you're prepared to have an accident with someone just to prove a point about what you consider pushing in, but which in reality is what you are supposed to do then you are more of a danger than they are.The most efficient way is actually merging in turn ie 1 car from each lane at a time.

Firstly read the posts I was quoting - King Nothing goes 800yards past the "800yards to roadworks sign" then forces his way in.....hence joining in the last 100yards.

You don't think the bits in red are contradictory?

Well, in my case......the third party admitted liability, the witness agreed with me, and the insurance agreed to repair my car within around 18hours of the accident so it tells me that forcing your way in is wrong.

You can dress it up all day....you get a sign saying roadworks in 3 miles....and you change lane with 100yards to go???

darich

King_Nothing wrote: »

And I have read the highway code, clearly it's you who needs to brush up on it, I recommend point 134 as a starting point to read, if you want to miss out the earlier stuff:

134
You should follow the signs and road markings and get into the lane as directed. In congested road conditions do not change lanes unnecessarily. Merging in turn is recommended but only if safe and appropriate when vehicles are travelling at a very low speed, e.g. when approaching road works or a road traffic incident. It is not recommended at high speed.

Well it was you who mentioned 800 yard signs....meaning it's a high speed road. That means point 134 is not recommended.;)

darich

skiddlydiddly wrote: »

It tells you not to do it at high speed, well thats common sense.

Completely agree....but it was another poster who claims to do it at high speed by passing the 800yard sign. You do not get an 800 yard advanced warning sign on a 30mph urban road.
Fast dual carriageways and motorways you do.....hence high speed roads.....and hence my post.

King_Nothing

darich wrote: »

Firstly read the posts I was quoting - King Nothing goes 800yards past the "800yards to roadworks sign" then forces his way in.....hence joining in the last 100yards.

You don't think the bits in red are contradictory?

Well, in my case......the third party admitted liability, the witness agreed with me, and the insurance agreed to repair my car within around 18hours of the accident so it tells me that forcing your way in is wrong.

You can dress it up all day....you get a sign saying roadworks in 3 miles....and you change lane with 100yards to go???

There is no correct lane though, both lanes are currently open so both free to be used accordingly; to drive on. The signs are warning you that one of those lanes will be closed further down the road.

skiddlydiddly

darich wrote: »

Firstly read the posts I was quoting - King Nothing goes 800yards past the "800yards to roadworks sign" then forces his way in.....hence joining in the last 100yards.

You don't think the bits in red are contradictory?

Well, in my case......the third party admitted liability, the witness agreed with me, and the insurance agreed to repair my car within around 18hours of the accident so it tells me that forcing your way in is wrong.

You can dress it up all day....you get a sign saying roadworks in 3 miles....and you change lane with 100yards to go???

No I don't think its contradictory at all.If you were supposed to merge earlier then why not make it at the very 1st roadworks sign 3 miles back?
Just because your insurance claim was succesful it doesn't mean that merging(note merging, not forcing)is wrong.You have several quotes above from the highway code telling you the exact opposite.

King_Nothing

darich wrote: »

Completely agree....but it was another poster who claims to do it at high speed by passing the 800yard sign. You do not get an 800 yard advanced warning sign on a 30mph urban road.
Fast dual carriageways and motorways you do.....hence high speed roads.....and hence my post.

It's a 50mph road DC normally, cut down to 30 mph, and I managed to do 30mph all the way down while people queued unnecessarily in 1 lane, and was doing sub 10 mph as I was closing into merge in turn while indicating mate

Imp

King_Nothing wrote: »

I'm sorry but you have no idea how wrong you are.

Queuejumping? That's the mentality which is wrong, 2 lanes merging into 1 with signs saying use both lanes, means you use both lanes and merge in turn at the coned area, not everyone pile into the lane that is open 1000 yards down the road, and render the lane that is currently still open, useless.

In short, there's no such thing as queuejumping, on a merge in turn at roadworks, i.e. you use both lanes and merge in turn.

I have to admit to agreeing with King_Nothing here, this is the correct way to approach a merging of lanes. Another example is at traffic lights were a single lane splits into two before the traffic lights and then merges back into one. If everyone used both lanes fully, and merged in turn after the lights, you get twice as many vehicles through the lights, reducing delays for everyone.

At roadworks, I have seen miles of traffic not using the lane which is due to be merged. All very well until the traffic has backed up so much that the previous entrance/exit is snarled up, causing delays for people wanting to exit and potentially causing delays on other roads.

That said, I don't tend to drive down the empty lane as I know it annoys people,and if they are happy to get to their destination slower but without being annoyed by me, that's fine.