iPhone '4' thread

MercilessKiller

Gotta love the iphone hating...!

Simple fact people - Its beautiful, it works, its fast and its feature filled - CANT WAIT

Oscar_The_Grouch

ampletime wrote: »

The reason that the iphone 4 is cutting edge and a breakthrough in phone design is:



1. Most of the problems associated with living in Apple's walled garden are still not fixed. You are still too dependant on having Steve Jobs decide what you can download and when. Since Jobs thinks that Adobe Flash is bad and won't allow it on Apple devices, you can't see half of what's out on the web.

Oh dear - you fell down BIG STYLE there!! Read this from the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10257411.stm

ampletime wrote: »

2. The name implies that it is a 4th generation mobile phone when it is actually still 3G. Apple says that it is the Iphone 4, however some might be dumb enough to believe that it can use the 4th generation wireless broadband standards, although it really can't.

Errr... it's iPhone 4; not iPhone 4G. The name implies it's the 4th iPhone.... Go on - count it out for yourself.

ampletime wrote: »

3. The Iphone 4 appears to have trouble with WiFi. Apple is historically quite bad at engineering WiFi products that work. Many of its flaws have been related to Airport. When Jobs attempted to show off the Iphone 4 the WiFi did not not work. Jobs claimed it was because there were too many people using WiFi in the Moscone conference centre, but we have to take his word for that. The Apple Ipad has a similar problem in that you have to be practically sitting on a wireless router for it to get a decent WiFi connection. This is ironic as the Iphone 4 has a stainless-steel band around the outside edge that Apple says is designed to improve WiFi network reception, but it still doesn't seem to work very well.

This has been covered elsewhere in this thread. I'm not going to go over it again.

ampletime wrote: »

4. The Iphone 4 is selling on its video-calling program, called FaceTime. However this is limited to WiFi networks for now, which means that the best thing about the Iphone 4 will not work in most locations unless you happen to be near a WiFi hot spot. Also you can only conference with other Iphone 4 users. We have already seen that the Iphone 4 has problems with WiFi.

"WiFi only in 2010" was what he said and went on to mention that he's waiting for the networks to be able to cope with 3G/4G video calling. This will be a simple software update once it's in place. Remember that Jobs has to cope with the infrastructure of the US so even if UK networks could support it (and Skype shows they can) he's not going to build it in. Skype will, however, update their app so that you can cross phone/network chat.

ampletime wrote: »

5. The Iphone 4, while thinner, still has that easy to slip out of your hands shape. This means that you have to buy those covers which bulk the thing out again. It also still has a plastic back which can be scratched and break.

Errr.... Glass back - you know; the glass they've developed in house to be scratch resistant and really tough. Just like on the front.

ampletime wrote: »

6. A 16GB model is priced at $199, and a 32GB version will sell for $299. The markups on the devices are outrageous. The monthly charges on contracts are higher than with other smartphones because not only are the network operators subsidising Apple's ridiculously high prices for the devices, but Apple also demands a cut, said to be up to 30 per cent, of users monthly charges, further driving up the cost.

If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you can't afford it, don't winge; it makes you look silly.

ampletime wrote: »

7. Judging by Apple's previous behaviour the Iphone 4 will be out of date within a year, although most mobile phone contracts are for two years.

Yes. Just like Nokia, Samsung, LG. The list goes on. What's your point here?

ampletime wrote: »

8. Something more Androidish in a smartphone does more for the same price, without the Apple lock in.

Something Androidish is not an iPhone. I'm rather pleased about the uniqueness of the iPhone.

ampletime wrote: »

9. The Iphone 4 is built by Chinese wage-slaves working 12-hour shifts in conditions that have led to a rash of suicides, and Apple has called police to suppress freedom of the press. While the Iphone 4 is not 'less moral' than the Iphone 3G, users now have less excuse to turn a blind eye to how the product is made.

Yes. Just like Nokia, Samsung, LG. The list goes on. What's your point here?..... Yes; I did a copy and paste of the above. They are both stupid points, so why not?

ampletime wrote: »

Steve Jobs will make millions from this whilst those that make it earn very very very little or kill themselves. This is the Apple way of doing things.

Good for Steve Jobs. He's done well for himself. If you go off and invent something, or take over as CEO of a large firm and help bring it on to be the biggest in its market, I'd say the same to you. In the meantime, go and play in the "Android Phone" thread.... oh.... there isn't one. Perhaps that's because no one cares enough to create one. There is, however, the "Cant set up e-mail on HTC Desire" thread and the even more interesting "HTC Desire - Apps Nightmare". The HTC Desire uses the Android operating system doesn't it?

lucylucky

@ ampletime - that was a bit severe.

And I am no fan of the iphone, not my cup of tea.

1 - 50% of the web is not flash based
2 - There have been 3 versions of the phone before so it is a 4th generation
3 - Wifi did/does seem to be an issue
4 - FaceTime is one of its selling points, but not a good one IMHO
5 - If you can't hold onto a phone then you shouldn't be buying one
6 - Apple pricing is high for what you get
7 - The iphone may well be overtaken by the next model in a year. You need not take out a two year contract on a phone
8 - Android phones may not suit everyone although they are indeed more "open"
9 - Apple is not the only company to use foreign cheaper labour


Your last statement is not even worth commenting on.

gjchester

ampletime wrote: »

9. The Iphone 4 is built by Chinese wage-slaves working 12-hour shifts in conditions that have led to a rash of suicides, and Apple has called police to suppress freedom of the press. While the Iphone 4 is not 'less moral' than the Iphone 3G, users now have less excuse to turn a blind eye to how the product is made.

To be honest this is not an Apple only issue. HTC have the same claims about them and their supplier YFO in Taiwan. It's just not as well publicised as Apples a bigger target and has a American shareholder base who care more, than HTC's far eastern shareholders.

http://goodelectronics.org/news-en/taiwanese-electronics-workers-figth-for-their-rights/

The issue is we in the west want cheap clothes / gadgets/ whatever, and the only way this is done is by exploiting someone.

As has been seen elsewhere (try and read Naomi Kliens NoLogo if you haven't already) the issue isn't any particular company paying too little, it's the willingness (and to some extent need) of many third world goverments to take the resource of their people and sell it for a profit, often without compenstating those workers fairly, combined with our need to have cheap goods that makes this possible.

Goverments often set up Free Trade Zones where multinationals are activly encouraged in via nil or low rate taxes and rebates to use this resource. As soon as the tax discounts or rebates change then the multinational moves on. Given we as a consumer want the lowest prices, you can see why these places are used. The fact it's often cheaper to replace an item than get spare parts and labour in the UK speaks volumes about how cheap the labour cost must be in the construction of any item.

Everyone in the west is turning a blind eye to these conditions most of the time. Everytime we buy £3 jeans in Tesco or Asda from Cambodia or China, fruit, veg and flowers flown in from Africa or the latest gadget by any company we have to accept that the chances are someone has been exploited to get the goods to us at that price.


Please don't get me wrong, I'm not seeking to justify Apple or anyone elses human rights policies, the rightly should be accountable for there actions and the actions of their suppliers. Just pointing out that almost everything made in most of the far east (with the probable exception of Japan, where labour is expensive now) will have human rights issues somewhere in it's background.

djrobmac

I'm speaking personally here, can't comment for all but why is it that a ton of Andriod users seem to hijack every thread about the iPhone to start dissing it? I will always defend the iPhone cause through experience (as a tech junky) I find it a beautiful phone to have and use but never feel the need to start posting on HTC threads saying your device is whack. Really odd. When the iPhone 4 is the biggest thing since sliced bread will they shut up? I guess i doubt it (most will be stuck in their 18 month contracts I guess)

gjchester

wireframe wrote: »

That can't be true - spotify tells me all the time that "the tracks you bought are yours to own - you can burn them to cd and take them with you" - surely that's changing the format in which they're. The ripping of cds to a different format consitiutes "Fair use".

Spotify can give you the right to do that (assume they have agreed it it with the copyright owners) but you do not have it in law.

However as I've said the UK does not have any fair use laws at the moment and has no format shifting laws at the moment. It's something that has been mentioned before that it should be changed but has not happened.

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/copy/c-other/c-other-faq/c-other-faq-type/c-other-faq-type-mp3.htm

Can I copy a CD that I have purchased onto my MP3 Player?

No, this is not legal under UK law. There is no exception to copyright for the purpose of private copying. Permission would be needed from the copyright owner.
There are number of legal download websites available to the public that allow you to download music onto your MP3 player.

lucylucky

Speaking a an Android user, I am commenting on this thread just to give my opinion.

As I have stated before the iphone does not suit my needs, nice looking device though it is.

There are two iphone users in my house, who love theirs.

I doubt very much the 4G is the "biggest thing since sliced bread"

(I am not in an 18th month contract either.)

MORPH3US

MercilessKiller wrote: »

Gotta love the iphone hating...!

Simple fact people - Its beautiful, it works, its fast and its feature filled - CANT WAIT

Is it iPhone hating though? Or is it just people trying to help others see through all of the marketing hype that the iPhone is basically twice the price of equal / better phones?

Its about choice at the end of the day and if people are happy to pay over the odds for an iPhone then thats their prerogative.

I think I (and so many others) take so much pleasure in pointing out the iPhone deficiencies because for years I have heard friends going on about how great their iPhone is. They have become so single minded that they are like clones - they can't now see anything beyond iPhone this, that and the other.... even though better, cheaper products exist.

The number of times I have told a friend that the HTC Desire is better than his 3GS and he just throws the toys out of the pram - he won't have it that anything can be better than his iPhone and laughably he still has 18 months of £40 payments on a phone that is about to be superseded.

To reiterate though, I do think iPhones are nice phones (although prefer the look of the 3GS to the 4) and I would have one IF they were the same price / cheaper than comparable Android phones. Its not that I can't afford and iPhone, its a case of why would I want to when my android phone is better (for me) and cheaper.

Oh and finally, I think one thing that goes against Apple is that they are somewhat a victim of their own success.... was walking through town the other day when I saw (without wanting to sound snobby) what I imagine would be described a "chav single parent type" (think big Nike trainers, white tracksuit bottoms, bright pink vest top, long greasy hair tied back) with about 6 kids in tow shouting and balling at the kids in the middle of town... next thing whips out her iPhone..... They just aren't exclusive anymore....

MORPH3US

djrobmac wrote: »

I'm speaking personally here, can't comment for all but why is it that a ton of Andriod users seem to hijack every thread about the iPhone to start dissing it?

See my post above about my friend with his iPhone... thats why.

djrobmac wrote: »

I find it a beautiful phone to have and use but never feel the need to start posting on HTC threads saying your device is whack.

They are nice phones, no denying... and you may not post dissing Android but many, many Apple fanbois do.

djrobmac wrote: »

When the iPhone 4 is the biggest thing since sliced bread will they shut up?

IMHO it won't be (however much you talk it up and make outlandish claims about it. Why? Because it isn't a big leap ahead of the competition... its merely catching up with and on a couple of things, sneaking ever so slightly ahead of it.

djrobmac wrote: »

most will be stuck in their 18 month contracts I guess

This has to be the biggest irony ever surely... when most iPhone users (that I know anyway) have to get the iPhone on 24 month contracts to be able to afford one.

Minxy_Bella

MORPH3US wrote: »

Is it iPhone hating though? Or is it just people trying to help others see through all of the marketing hype that the iPhone is basically twice the price of equal / better phones?

Its about choice at the end of the day and if people are happy to pay over the odds for an iPhone then thats their prerogative.

I think I (and so many others) take so much pleasure in pointing out the iPhone deficiencies because for years I have heard friends going on about how great their iPhone is. They have become so single minded that they are like clones - they can't now see anything beyond iPhone this, that and the other.... even though better, cheaper products exist.

The number of times I have told a friend that the HTC Desire is better than his 3GS and he just throws the toys out of the pram - he won't have it that anything can be better than his iPhone and laughably he still has 18 months of £40 payments on a phone that is about to be superseded.

To reiterate though, I do think iPhones are nice phones (although prefer the look of the 3GS to the 4) and I would have one IF they were the same price / cheaper than comparable Android phones. Its not that I can't afford and iPhone, its a case of why would I want to when my android phone is better (for me) and cheaper.

Oh and finally, I think one thing that goes against Apple is that they are somewhat a victim of their own success.... was walking through town the other day when I saw (without wanting to sound snobby) what I imagine would be described a "chav single parent type" (think big Nike trainers, white tracksuit bottoms, bright pink vest top, long greasy hair tied back) with about 6 kids in tow shouting and balling at the kids in the middle of town... next thing whips out her iPhone..... They just aren't exclusive anymore....

You know what? I don't know what I'd do without kind-hearted folks showing me the error of my ways! Thank you so much for helping the scales fall from my eyes - I was lost and now am found.....hallelujah!

So now I go out and buy one of those desire phones, then - is that right? So that people don't think I'm a chav? Right? Just because you say so? Right?


Uh huh....