HGV's in lane 2. Grrrr...

Strider590

Hammyman wrote: »

How would this device work? Would you pay for the extra fuel? Take Windy Hill on the M62, the climb from J25 - J23. If I climbed that as fast as I could, around 50MPH, I'd do 2.5MPG for the whole 7 mile stretch. If I had a device remove power, I would have to fight through the gears to try and maintain momentum, eventually ending up screwing the nuts off it at 35-40MPH. The MPG for that 7 mile stretch would be 1MPG. Yes, you read that right, 1 mile per gallon. So I'd use 7 gallons of diesel instead of just shy of 3. That's an extra £15 or so for that one hill.

Just to put things into some kind of perspective....

I never claimed it was perfect :rotfl:

Then again.... If all lorries were accurately restricted to an exact top speed (within say 0.1%), then surely you'd never have the situation of 2 lorries, one doing (for example) 60mph and one doing 60.5mph side by side for miles and miles?

To be honest though, I personally have no issue with it.
I take motorway journey's at a steady pace with the cruise control on, so unlike other drivers who speed up and slow down constantly, I don't tend to find it so stressful

Mark_Hewitt

KillerWatt wrote: »

2 lanes works very well in France, but then again they have better lane discipline.

And less traffic.

Jakg

harveybobbles wrote: »

As they are all limited to 56mph i'm not really too bothered about a big snake as it will cut congestion...

Yes, several-mile tailback in one lane will make it easy to join / exit the motorway...

harveybobbles wrote: »

The whole of lane two then shoves into lane three causing lane three to drop to about 60mph.

Perhaps people shouldnt need to drive so slowly, then? Theres no real reason to slow down that much... if a proper gap was left between cars like they should of done.

harveybobbles wrote: »

then they should leave enough distance to the one in front. Therefore not needing to overtake...

If one lorry is travelling at 50 and another at 56, the faster one is going to want to get past just like you do...

harveybobbles wrote: »

The ones I don't understand are the car drivers who sit behind lorries when the motorway is reasonably clear...

If you aren't in a hurry travelling at a slower speed tucked up behind a lorry can gain you a lot of fuel economy...

mchale wrote: »

Is that not poor observation on your part? if i see a truck in close proximity to a another vehicle, I anticipate a lane change and therefore do not have to brake hard, maybe you should think ahead as to what other actions other road users may use when driving in front of you

I have to admit being in that situation myself - yes they are close and you'd think they are going to overtake, but will often sit on each others tail mile after mile in the slipstream before deciding to make their move. Usually the indicator comes on just as they join the lane in front which makes it utterly useless...

I certainly can't see much wrong with raising the limit to 60-65 for HGV's.

Flearoy

KillerWatt wrote: »

... a lump of metal weighing anywhere from 1 ton upwards when it is stationary (and considerably more when it is moving).

Have you alerted a physicist about this gravitational anomaly?

zorber

Barneysmom wrote: »

There'd be a snake of lorries from here to kingdom come if they were only allowed one lane, with my mom in the middle of it.
I'd rather ban caravans from daylight hours.

Idiot there are very few caravans on the road normally unless its holiday period. They are also not restricted to 56 mph like lorries are so should move faster.

zorber

harveybobbles wrote: »

It's amazing how much congestion they cause when one pulls out to over take the other. Yes they're all professional drivers and without them we wouldnt have food in the shops.

But if they are proff drivers - then they should leave enough distance to the one in front. Therefore not needing to overtake...

I dont get it :think:

Not every lorry can go at 56pmh for various reasons, so we expect them all to go as slow as the slowest lorry and not over take.


We would be better enforcing lane discipline for cars. The number that just sit in the middle lane or out sidelane with no intentsion of over taking but have either not been trained properly or just too stupid to realise that they are doing it. You should only be in the middle lane or outside lane if you are overtaking another vehicle.

I actually think the American idea of passing on both sides works extremely well. This coupled with the fact the police clamp down on speeding really hard over there means everyone travels at the same speed any how which means the traffice flows more freely.

They need to trial it over here. (not that i am anti speeding)

michaelvintner

HGV'S should be fitted with overtake buttons whereby they are allowed to increase their speed to 70 to overtake slower moving vechicles. This button should only last for a minute and should be limited in the amount of time it can be used an hour, say to 10 times an hour.

There should also be a sign on the back of the HGV that allows other road users to see that it is using this overtake button.

king100

Ban tractors between 8 and 9 on dual carrageways.

Rant done.

zorber

KillerWatt wrote: »

2 lanes works very well in France, but then again they have better lane discipline.

There country is also 4 times larger with the same population spread out hence not the same denisity of people all trying to get to similar locations.

Though i do like driving in france but the french do have better lane discipline too.

jolester

Kilty wrote: »

Seems to work quite well on the M42.... (bits of it are restricted - no HGVs in lane 2)

Dunno if it was just a trial though, might have changed since last summer.

I travel down the M42 each day to and from work, J9 to J10, where there are NO restrictions on LGV's in lane 2 - unfortunately there are only 2 lanes anyway on this part of the motorway and it causes huge tailbacks.

You can especially see it on the opposite side of the carriageway......empty motorway..... empty motorway..... empty motorway.... oh there we go, truck at 56 mph attempting to overtake a truck at 55 mph and a huge queue of traffic stuck behind. :mad: