2.5 Yr old Thrown out of beefeater

heavensbug

There are always going to be different camps when it comes to kids.

I used to struggle to understand why parents could not keep kids quiet until I had kids of my own.

Twins to add to it.

I didn't say she was unwell but that was a factor as well as the fact that she had just woken up and was hungry. None of which I would smack my daughter for. I don't have a problem with telling her off if she needs to be but she was distressed not naughty.

Hence why we went outside to calm down the first time.

I did try and do what I could taking into consideration the other diners. My parents being there as well who were actually the first to critise me and my wife but thats a different and personal story.

My daughter was trying to tell me what was wrong and had just asked for Calpol but the manager did not take the time to ask that or see if there was anything she could do to help like provide an area for her to calm down.

Just plumped for the sorry but you have to leave boat. It was only after she realised that she was going to loose £70 of custom that she looked for an alternative arrangement. That is what my main complaint is about as well as serving the incorrect food.

For the record her Twin sister who was quiet and colouring while we were trying to sort her sister out is also disabled. Again something that the restaurant was not aware of and is none of their besiness.

I just can't believe that people are so intolerant of others. A general gripe I have with humanity now compared to 20 years ago.

Sad state of affairs.

Anyway, feel free to continue discussion here but I don't want any animosity. I am going to call customer services later today and from my point of view I know what I can and can't expect after the helpful posts here.

Can we all have a group hug and love each other for 5 minutes

:grouphug:

Older_but_not_wiser_2

Lokolo wrote: »

Why do you have to take a child to Cape Town and New York? Why can't you wait until they are older?

My mum purposely didn't take me on a plane until I was teen because of this. And now that I have been on many plane journeys, I understand why. Although I will admit, some children on planes are very well behaved.

I have to take them to Cape Town because I thought it would be nice for them to see their grandparents and uncle once in a while.
It also broadens their knowledge of different countries and promotes tolerance of other cultures.

jinky67

Amistoso wrote: »

did I read correctly that some halfwit said that the 2 and a half year old should have been smacked to shut it up?!? _pale_

!

what would you propose, if your kid was upsetting others, let it scream and cry?
or be all namby pamby and shush it while it continues?

get a grip

delain

Well, I can control my children in Restaurants without having to smack them anywhere, and I never have had to even though my little 2 have autistic tendencies. A stern word is always enough now, and a threat to go home (only had to do it once, they know I mean it now) and they will stop whatever nonsense they were up to.

Also the children are always included in conversation round our table even though they are only 6 and 7.

2 and a half is very young, maybe the OP should have chased beefeater up and when they said they had received complaints she should have done as others have said, pointed out that the child was hungry and the wait was excessive and asked for some bread and butter or a drink for her.

I feel I should say that every child has a point whereby no amount of comforting will do the trick and nor will a smack, they just get overtired and grizzle until they conk out. When they start reaching this point it is best to cut your losses and take them home.

That is why I wouldn't take a child of 2.5 years out for a (presumably evening) meal out as it would clash with their bedtime and disaster would follow.

Presumably the people that complained haven't got kids and will find all this out the hard way one day :rotfl:

pulliptears

jinky67 wrote: »

You are digging yourself a BIG BIG hole:p


People need to train their kids to behave and unfortunately a hell of a lot of them dont:mad:

Kids cry, its unfortunate but they don't usually cry for nothing. As you say "some" parents don't supervise their kids fully, but a good majority do, and its attitudes like Lokolo's which tar every parent with that same brush.

It is quite obvious that Lokolo is young and childless. He/she will no doubt tell you here that when their children come along they will be pillars of society, perfectly behaved with not a hair out of place. Of course, us people here in the real world know the truth of it, and most of us manage to raise perfectly normal well behaved children without having to hit them every time they cry in public.

jinky67

pulliptears wrote: »

Kids cry, its unfortunate but they don't usually cry for nothing. As you say "some" parents don't supervise their kids fully, but a good majority do, and its attitudes like Lokolo's which tar every parent with that same brush.

It is quite obvious that Lokolo is young and childless. He/she will no doubt tell you here that when their children come along they will be pillars of society, perfectly behaved with not a hair out of place. Of course, us people here in the real world know the truth of it, and most of us manage to raise perfectly normal well behaved children without having to hit them every time they cry in public.

Oh I know all that. I think ( and I am sure he will correct me if I am wrong) he only trying to say if you cant control your kids in public dont take them out.

He will learn I agree;)

pulliptears

Lokolo wrote: »

1) The OP would have said in their post.

heavensbug wrote: »

I didn't say she was unwell but that was a factor as well as the fact that she had just woken up and was hungry. None of which I would smack my daughter for.

your next life lesson Lokolo, never assume.

Amistoso_2

jinky67 wrote: »

what would you propose, if your kid was upsetting others, let it scream and cry?
or be all namby pamby and shush it while it continues?

get a grip

are you joking?!?
I don't smack any of my children, never have. I was smacked A LOT as a child and vowed I would never resort to that sort of mindless angry punishment. If a child of that age is crying because it's upset or distressed what good would belting it one do any way, surely they would just scream more?
This may shock you but there are other ways of disciplining children :eek: perhaps someone like you can't get their head round that

adouglasmhor

Lokolo wrote: »

Why do you have to take a child to Cape Town and New York? Why can't you wait until they are older?

My mum purposely didn't take me on a plane until I was teen because of this. And now that I have been on many plane journeys, I understand why. Although I will admit, some children on planes are very well behaved.

That wasn't the only reason though was it.
Also despite having your bottom spanked when you acted up your mum had to wait until you were a teenager before you were well behaved enough to be allowed on a plane!

Language Timothy!

tbw

Seeing as we seem to have moved away from the original poinnt of this thread, I'll put my two pennorth in!

Its not really the Victor Meldrew symptom - its more a case of that a fair number of us (admittedly probably older people) are fed up with the modern obsesssion with peoples 'rights' to do what they darn well like regardless of whether their behaviour/actions upset or annoy others. Personally, if I choose to eat in a pub or other food outlet that caters for families and children, then I do understand that there will be a fair bit of noise and maybe some grizzly children. Its inevitable and it certainly doesn't upset me - as others have said, if I wanted a really quiet meal then I'd go somewhere more suitable.

What DOES get right up my nose is when adults with children plonk themselves down and then totally ignore their children, making no attempt whatsover to supervise their behaviour and to ensure that they are not driving other people mad! I'm not talking about children just being children - I mean when they race around the restaurant playing aeroplanes, bumping into waiters, knocking tables, throwing food around, sticking their fingers into buffet displays and screeching at the top of their voices for no apparent reason etc. I wouldn't allow my children or grandchildren to behave like that at home - never mind in public. Unfortunately, some adults (and I am not suggesting its the majority) feel that the rest of us have to put up with it.

I believe that the sooner children are taught what is acceptable, reasonable behaviour the better - and they SHOULD be taken to eat out so that they can get used to how to behave at an early age. Ordinary childish behaviour is fine and I don't expect a 3 year old to behave like an adult! But yes, if a child deliberately throws food around and it lands on my table then I will be b***** cross especially if the parent thinks thats fine, 'my child can do as he likes - don't expect me to stop him, I'm busy chatting to my mates' attitude.

Don't get me started on planes - I guess the person who mentioned that earlier must have travelled on some of the same flights as me!!!