Sky cards from XL Trading

nexuss

There will be a knock at their door then they will be getting sued for over £2 million no doubt with a 5 year prison sentence

JasonLVC

savemoney wrote: »

Maybe they employ same lawyer as our friend Gary Cooper

Ahhh, it was Gary Cooper. I posted last night about some teenage kid who got away wioth his scam but couldn't remember his name. Thanks for the reminder.

nexuss

XL trading have allegedly been watched very closely firstly by various economic crime units until it was passed on to various forces including SOCA who got involved for reasons unknown.If found guilty they would be sued for the full RRP of every game and music cd sold and also an inevitable lengthy jail sentence.Sky,sony and microsoft amongst others will be wanting to set an example as to warn others of doing the same thing.

Antispam

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XLTradingUK

Good Morning people... oh look - looks like we are alive and well this morning

We are not going into in-depth again which we have been doing for the past couple of days but here is the basics again.

1. We are NOT pirates
Pirates sell on carboots and make a mass profit from doing such - hence they are arrested and shutdown.
We, DO NOT support piracy although a lot of people on here would like to think we do.
The service we provide is that of a duplication service, which you ARE allowed to do under UK law - someone cannot make a backup copy of this themselves, we can do it for them HOWEVER.. we make only an operating profit of around 30p on each game item sold and this is down to the costs we incur doing this.

2. We are NOT bedroom pirates - again, you are posting such idiotic things which are again potentially libellous and truly defamitory to our site.
You do not have any kind of proof whatsoever that we do such a thing - nor could you prove it if you did. We can state quite clearly. that we again ARE not pirates.

3. The details on our WHOIS are for our ex business partner - no longer with us, which do need to be updated, we are working on this as we speak.

4. It is posted that we have mentioned getting games before release dates - this is true, however.. the legal side behind that is that we do import a lot of stock from overseas where the release dates differ from ours.

5. We HAVE NOT been contacted by SOCA, FACT or any other trading standards unit in regards to the site.. we would indeed speak to them direct if they did to allay any fears they may have.

6. The Sky cards
We get them direct from Sky, we pay Sky for the privilige of them - and everything is above board. We are not legally responsible for how clients use the cards as stated in our T&C's

7. Premises/Contact Details
We have taken all of your info on board and we will be updating this shortly

8. We do not know anyone called Gary Cooper
Please explain this to us

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I think people need to stop listening to chinese whispers on this site.
People in 'the know' clearly do not know as much as they think they do on here.. and false rumours about being investigated by SOCA and FACT are clearly embelished.

Antispam wrote: »

XLTradingUK are on forums right now and not ppr'ed

Good morning to you to mate

nexuss wrote: »

XL trading have allegedly been watched very closely firstly by various economic crime units until it was passed on to various forces including SOCA who got involved for reasons unknown.If found guilty they would be sued for the full RRP of every game and music cd sold and also an inevitable lengthy jail sentence.Sky,sony and microsoft amongst others will be wanting to set an example as to warn others of doing the same thing.

Care to prove this to the 'people' on this site?
We have not been investigated by ANY economic crime units so your post is defamitory at best.
But then thats the name of the game on this thread is it not?

underlay_guru wrote: »

It appears the user XLTradingUK has disappeared.
Kicked out by MSE or closed account under pressure?

Neither mate.. and a good morning/afternoon to you too
Again, chinese whispers - which people are 'ill informing' others about once again

I am interested in people that are reading this thread are thinking - because from an outsiders point of view, they maybe are looking in thinking there is a lot of false accusations, and a lot of waffle that has NOT be proven, a lot of basic lies from people on this thread claiming to 'know something' and a lot of chinese whispers that we have been banned.
All of it NOT true as you can see

JasonLVC wrote: »

Their T&C's on the last two lines make it very clear that you need a modded console and that they (XL) do not sell modded console - becuase that is illegal under copyright law.... and yet there website menu clearly shows that they offer console mods

From the case of Mr Modchips a while ago (if you have not heard of this, please google search for it) the purpose of supplying a modded console for backup purposes only seems a quite legitimate thing at the moment.
I believe he won his court case because the simple fact was, he was not aiding piracy... the people who have purchased said modded console MIGHT - but Mr Modchips was not.
We DO NOT aid piracy in anyway shape or form, we only provide a service to duplicate what people already own.
Quite clear in T&C's which clients MUST agree to when ordering from us.

We can offer console mods.. a lot of people do... and are still trading I might add
Again, we always say - this is NOT to aid piracy.
We only modify what is legally yours.

Antispam

Good afternoon XL


XL then please explain this post, you are supplying or was supplying a game which can not be bought but you provide a backup for it

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.html?p=25579049&postcount=149

Extracted from here :-

http://xltrading.co.uk/news/index.ph...008-03&catid=1

The above extract taken from their own blog last year - here they are stating that they have obtained copies of GTA 4 weeks before the official release date (and they are telling customers they can buy them for £4.50)

taking XL's argument that it is perfectly legal to copy anything you already own.......How can a customer legally back up their legally obtained copy of GTA4 when the game has not even been released to retail?.

Therefore, the argument that the back up is legal has no weight when they are offering to back up a game that does not even exist (ie, is still being pressed at the factory).

XLTradingUK

Antispam wrote: »

Good afternoon XL

XL then please explain this post, you are supplying or was supplying a game which can not be bought but you provide a backup for it

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.html?p=25579049&postcount=149

Extracted from here :-

http://xltrading.co.uk/news/index.ph...008-03&catid=1

The above extract taken from their own blog last year - here they are stating that they have obtained copies of GTA 4 weeks before the official release date (and they are telling customers they can buy them for £4.50)

taking XL's argument that it is perfectly legal to copy anything you already own.......How can a customer legally back up their legally obtained copy of GTA4 when the game has not even been released to retail?.

Therefore, the argument that the back up is legal has no weight when they are offering to back up a game that does not even exist (ie, is still being pressed at the factory).

We can indeed explain this for you And we hope you are well!!

Games - have a release date- we all know this correct.
Certain suppliers however in the UK, not mentioning names because they are big companies, supermarkets and other retail outlets not especially gamer shops have been known to sell out of release date games to customers - which we believe is naughty of them to do so (they can be fined we believe)

This is how we receive games out of release date OR we import a version in from either the US, or further afield dependant on the region of the game.

Please do a google search for release dates for games being broken and you will see what I mean
Nothing illegal by doing this - we have been sold a copy before a release date, hence we own that copy.

will-in-estoril wrote: »

Run by a laddy in Sheffield (from his bedroom?) who goes by the name of Timothy.
Remember the final scenes in the 'Wizard of Oz'?:rotfl:

Not at all.
My name is Peter for a start by the way ... hello all again

We certainly do not run from a bedroom.. how would we get all the duplicators and pirate stock into a tiny room can we ask? (Can everyone see the sarcasm in that comment lol!

The final scenes from Wizard Of Oz I believe (great film by the way!) ended with Dorothy returning home.

JasonLVC

XLTradingUK wrote: »

Nothing illegal by doing this - we have been sold a copy before a release date, hence we own that copy.

So becuase YOU own a pre-release copy then that allows you to sell, at a profit, unrestricted copies of that disc to others who have not purchased or own said pre-released software?

Your own T&C state the purchaser must have an original of the game before buying a back-up. the obtaining of pre-release disc is small, if not, miniscule in numbers and yet you are prepared to sell to anyone on the basis that if the customer says they have an original then that is fine by you.

And seeing as you are now back with us, can you please qualify as to why you are exempt from companies act and EU website/distance selling acts?....and seeing as you are Mr Wikipedia - some links to confirm your view point would be good as it would silence all those who believe otherwise. Nothing better than the truth to win an argument.

XLTradingUK

smiler03 wrote: »

Well having read this entire thread I am once again appalled at the blatant disregard of the forum rules by so called "Fantastically Fervent MoneySaving Super Fans" who have been thanked in excess of 10000 times.

The forum etiquette shown on every page towards the top right hand corner states..

"Pls be nice to all MoneySavers. There's no such thing as a stupid question, and even if you disagree courtesy helps."

How many of you have any respect for this simple request?

Is this, for example, an example of courtesy.....

Now stop talking boll*cks or F OFF until you know the slightest thing about business & how to behave LEGALLY IN IT ?

You ought to be ashamed of yourselves. At least the person you are attacking hasn't sunk to your incredibly low level, it speaks volumes for him and nothing for you [nearly all].

Sky are rightly proud of their very successful and profitable business. They have an extremely secure viewing product. Most of you probably don't know that a big contributor to the failure of ONdigital/ITV Digital was that that their viewing cards could be replicated/copied/forged by anybody with simple instructions and a very small outlay on hardware. I know because I was in their technical department.

Now given Sky's might and success in rigorously keeping their business model secure, consider this... Why on earth would XL Trading still be in business? Sky have pursued many individual Pub Licencees for abuse of Sky Sports. It is now being suggested towards the end of this thread that XL Trading are maybe utilising a legal loophole to make money.

Do any of you notice that Martin proudly notifies all subscribers of loopholes all the time so that we may all benefit?

Now ask yourselves if you haven't been just a tad unfair and abusive towards XL Trading.

To XL Trading, all the best for your continued success.

And no I don't know him/them. I currently pay Sky £17.50/month but have paid much more in the past. I'm in no need of XL Tradings product. Good luck to all who use their/his services.

I actually think that MSE would be happily rid of you abusers of the forums but daren't criticise you for fear of a backlash. But that is just my opinion.

I last posted sometime ago and advised people not to bother replying as I wouldn't even bother reading them. The same applies here.

Many thanks for that.
I see there is someone with some sense at last
Again must state, we do not use modified cards in any way though.

JasonLVC wrote: »

So becuase YOU own a pre-release copy then that allows you to sell, at a profit, unrestricted copies of that disc to others who have not purchased or own said pre-released software?

Good Afternoon mate - hope you are well!
We do not sell for a massive profit - those are pirates you are talking about.
Please do not think we sell on carboots or like any of those people you are talking about - because we would not go those people to buy from (sorry if people do this at carboots... nothing personal)

You seem to be missing the point I have made many times over the past few days.
Clients MUST ALREADY own the game BEFORE they can use the service.
They signify this by ticking the release box before an order.
If they have ticked the box, they are agreeing to a legal disclosure which allows us to duplicate for them.
Quite simple really.

And if they already own the disc EVEN if out of a release date, a duplicate can still be made for personal use.
INCIDENTALLY, we can also provide clients OUTSIDE of the UK under the same T&C's

I still think people believe we make MASSIVE profits out of everything in the store???
WHY would be still doing this if we made massive profits... surely we would be living the high life somewhere you would think and not posting on MSE.

Think about it people

socrates wrote: »

This is without doubt a legendary thread it will go down in history just like XL Trading will

We hope that you are enjoying the show
Best wishes from us.

XLTradingUK

Will be back later this afternoon people - have a good afternoon!
Got to go and stretch our pirate legs

(Joking by the way!)