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Edelman

Joscar1 wrote: »

Thanks guys for the entertaining 'banter', I have enjoyed reading this thread.
Edelman, sorry, but I can not recommend a turnable high quality mattress as when I visited various bed shops I found that the mattresses that felt the most comfortable were 'topped'.
We have been sleeping on a SleeptoLive mattress since March 12th. So far we have found it to be comfortable and have slept well, though for the first 2-3 nights I was sceptical as I found I sunk into the bed a little and this took a bit of getting used to. For anyone thinking of buying a sleep to live mattress I would say you should watch for a sale. We were originally quoted £1500, but ended up paying just under £900. We had rejected the idea originally due to the price, but when we realised that we would have to spend circa £1000 anyway to get something comfortable realised that the STL on special offer would be an acceptable purchase for us.

Thanks very much. I took a friend to show them the STL bed and she said "OH MY GOD" too, she said as it was so comfortable and very supportive. I agree, you do sink into it. Much more comfy than a memory foam mattress too.

I had a row with the store recently when asking them what the topping was, as neither the salesman nor the manager knew. And they got a bit "shirty" when I asked them. I eventually got an answer: memory foam, then a fabric layer, then a latex foam. This sort of makes sense when you feel it.

£900 for that bed is a much more reasonable price, in my view. And if my store had that price I would be very tempted. Though with their attitude in the store, I'd be tempted NOT to buy from that particular store.

I have since decided on a different brand of bed, having found one that felt the same, excellent quality, below £900, and a very well known brand in the UK. And having spoken with the sales people, have come to a mutual win-win price. Clearly a better store than those before.

Happy sleeping.

Tim_Deegan

Edelman wrote: »

Much more comfy than a memory foam mattress too.

I had a row with the store recently when asking them what the topping was, as neither the salesman nor the manager knew. And they got a bit "shirty" when I asked them. I eventually got an answer: memory foam, then a fabric layer, then a latex foam. This sort of makes sense when you feel it.

So it is a memory foam mattress then?

Yes it is pocket sprung with memory foam, and probably only has a thin layer of latex, but it is still a memory foam mattress.

Edelman

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

So it is a memory foam mattress then?

Yes it is pocket sprung with memory foam, and probably only has a thin layer of latex, but it is still a memory foam mattress.

Yes, it is a deep pocket strung mattress. The memory foam part is about half inch thick, then some other fibre, then about half inch or so of standard foam.
I wouldn't personally class it as a Memory Foam mattress, because only about 15% of it is memory foam. Feels totally different from the "Memory Foam" mattresses, because with those, it takes a moment for you to 'sink in', whereas with the STL, you go straight in.

Tim_Deegan

Edelman wrote: »

Yes, it is a deep pocket strung mattress. The memory foam part is about half inch thick, then some other fibre, then about half inch or so of standard foam.
I wouldn't personally class it as a Memory Foam mattress, because only about 15% of it is memory foam. Feels totally different from the "Memory Foam" mattresses, because with those, it takes a moment for you to 'sink in', whereas with the STL, you go straight in.

That's because it is pocket sprung with memory foam as opposed to reflex foam with memory foam.

Are you sure about the depth of the memory foam, as half an inch would be pointless?

Did they give you any literature with the specifications on it, or did you get the feeling that he could have just made it up?? It would be very strange for any sales staff to not want to tell you if they did actually know.

Edelman

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

That's because it is pocket sprung with memory foam as opposed to reflex foam with memory foam.

Are you sure about the depth of the memory foam, as half an inch would be pointless?

Did they give you any literature with the specifications on it, or did you get the feeling that he could have just made it up?? It would be very strange for any sales staff to not want to tell you if they did actually know.

No, I am not sure about the depth of it. I only say that based on the 'join' where you see the separation. It was a good inch or two thick. So it may have been an inch of Memory Foam. They didn't actually tell me the thickness of it.
They gave no literature on it. Indeed, if you go to the STL web site or the shop site, there is nothing about the construction of the mattress at all. The salesguy even said the manufacturers are very cagey about it, as they don't want anyone else stealing the idea. Seemed a daft response to me, as all the other makers reveal it, coz the customers want to know before they buy.

The Manager in the store was very shirty and defensive about it. I told him "what if I am allergic to the topping". He asked what I was allergic to, in a defensive manner, and I told him that was private and irrelevant. I am asking what is it in, so I can make an informed decision.

Eventually, they found out for me. But NONE of them knew, as the manager even said afterwards, "you learn something new every day".

I found it really bad that they did not know the filling of the one major brand they push hard to sell. Whereas they knew just about all the others. Obviously as you know, most makers have the fillings and construction on that big label at the foot of the bed.

Tim_Deegan

Well this goes back to what I said ages ago in this thread about sales staff in many big stores not actually knowing much about the products they are selling.

I personally (and it sounds like you would too), would make sure that I had as much information as possible about any product I was selling.

Usually when they are cagey about a specification it would imply that the spec isn't good. Otherwise they would want to show off how good the spec was.

It can't be anything to do with not wanting the competition to find out, as all they would have to do was buy one and take it apart to find out.


Going by their web site STL use a few flashy names that are designed to make their mattresses seem more high tech than others. This is what I assume them to mean:

Silent Partner® Construction
I presume this means that there is no contact between the two spring units to transfer any movement from one partner to the other. It looks like they do this by encapsulating the spring units in reflex foam.

Ultimate Remembrance Inlay
This sounds like it is just a layer of memory foam. Although the Ultimate one may have a small amount of latex foam.

Ultimate Response Inlay
This just sounds like reflex foam.

Performance Fabric
That would probably be the 4 way stretch breathable fabric as used on most memory foam mattresses.

Vertical Zoning
Pocket springs that vary in tension in different parts of the mattress

Superior Sprung Divan
A divan base with pocket springs in it.

You can now see what I mean about sales hype.

Fire_Fox

I have an M&S £900 mattress (ex-display :money:) which is pocket sprung with a memory foam top, they certainly did not describe it simply as a 'memory foam mattress' I would have thought that would breach trade descriptions! It is the most comfortable thing I have ever slept on, then again it probably is the most expensive thing I have ever slept on ...

Tim_Deegan

Fire_Fox wrote: »

I have an M&S £900 mattress (ex-display :money:) which is pocket sprung with a memory foam top, they certainly did not describe it simply as a 'memory foam mattress' I would have thought that would breach trade descriptions! It is the most comfortable thing I have ever slept on, then again it probably is the most expensive thing I have ever slept on ...

There are different types of memory foam mattress, but the one thing they have in common is that it is the sleeping surface that is memory foam. Memory foam dousn't actually give any bounce, it is just there to provide even support without causing pressure points, by moulding to your body. The layer under the memory foam can be reflex foam, open coil springs, continuous springs :eek:, or pocket springs. But whatever the spring layer, it would still be classed as a memory foam mattress because the sleeping surface is memory foam.

Edelman

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

Well this goes back to what I said ages ago in this thread about sales staff in many big stores not actually knowing much about the products they are selling.

I personally (and it sounds like you would too), would make sure that I had as much information as possible about any product I was selling.

Usually when they are cagey about a specification it would imply that the spec isn't good. Otherwise they would want to show off how good the spec was.

It can't be anything to do with not wanting the competition to find out, as all they would have to do was buy one and take it apart to find out.


Going by their web site STL use a few flashy names that are designed to make their mattresses seem more high tech than others. This is what I assume them to mean:

Silent Partner® Construction
I presume this means that there is no contact between the two spring units to transfer any movement from one partner to the other. It looks like they do this by encapsulating the spring units in reflex foam.

Ultimate Remembrance Inlay
This sounds like it is just a layer of memory foam. Although the Ultimate one may have a small amount of latex foam.

Ultimate Response Inlay
This just sounds like reflex foam.

Performance Fabric
That would probably be the 4 way stretch breathable fabric as used on most memory foam mattresses.

Vertical Zoning
Pocket springs that vary in tension in different parts of the mattress

Superior Sprung Divan
A divan base with pocket springs in it.

You can now see what I mean about sales hype.

Mmmm I partly agree. Though I actually saw them ringing people, so it's not that they did not want to tell me - it seemed more than they didn't actually know.

They told me that STL are cagey about their "secret formula". I felt this to be a bit rubbish really. But, that's just how STL are working it.

I wouldn't buy from that seller anyway, as although the salesguy was decent, I didn't much care for the manager's attitude when I asked. I am buying from a 'local' independant anyway. They have a few stores, but are not like the big places you see on all the shopping 'business parks'.

Bearing in mind all the other brand leaders show their 'fillings'. I was surprised that STL hadn't done that for their one and only selling company. But - the person I went with did say it was HUGELY COMFORTABLE. And I have to say it was more comfortable and more supportive than anything I have tried in any other store.

But, reading reviews on them, the aftersales is poor, and I had never heard of them. I am buying a brand I have heard of for bloody years!

Tim_Deegan

Edelman wrote: »

Mmmm I partly agree. Though I actually saw them ringing people, so it's not that they did not want to tell me - it seemed more than they didn't actually know.

They told me that STL are cagey about their "secret formula". I felt this to be a bit rubbish really. But, that's just how STL are working it.

STL would train Bensons staff to tell people what they wanted them to tell people. As I said, if I was selling a product I would insist that I know, so that I don't look stupid when someone asks.

There is no secret formula, as a rival would only have to buy one then take it apart. So the only people they are keeping secrets from is the public.

Edelman wrote: »

Bearing in mind all the other brand leaders show their 'fillings'. I was surprised that STL hadn't done that for their one and only selling company. But - the person I went with did say it was HUGELY COMFORTABLE. And I have to say it was more comfortable and more supportive than anything I have tried in any other store.

But, reading reviews on them, the aftersales is poor, and I had never heard of them. I am buying a brand I have heard of for bloody years!

I can't understand why you are insisting on going for big well known brands?

Most of the big manufacturers have automated production, and many have cust quality to cut production costs (hence non turn mattresses). This is why you would get far better quality for less money by going for a smaller independent manufacturer, who still make them by hand.