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UKTigerlily

MrsTine wrote: »

I think you'll find that they weren't actually but you feel free to misquote me if you like

As for what I would say at a funeral? I'd offer my deepest condolances and say I hope the person responcible for not controlling the dog regardless of breed is facing severe punishment. And if so decided by a court that the dog in question is destroyed humanely. What I would NOT say is "well what do you expect it's a Rottie...."

And yes I poo pooed the statistics and I still do. Live with it

You obviously dislike Rottweilers and that is your right, I don't and that is MY right. I base my views on my personal experience and information I have either collected or come across in my life and times working with rescues, because that is all I CAN base it on. But I don't start getting personal or insulting because you think something different to me nor do I dismiss you or your right to think otherwise.

I will defend the right to own a rottweiler to the limits of my ability - or any other breed of dog - should anyone try to outlaw it. And until then I will fight against people who are irresponsible dog owners of ANY breed. I can't abide irresponsible dog owners and if there is ONE gap in the law in this country it is the punishment of such people in my view.

Is the death of ANY person ever acceptable? No. But is it right to base the destruction of a breed on highly inaccurate numbers from statistics or make sweeping generalisations about the breeds stability based on a few very publicesed (sp?) attacks and deaths? No.
If anything then these attacks should be concentrating on the real problem which is the owners. Are the individual dogs in these cases dangerous? I haven't met them but I would hazard a guess that they are. Should they therefor be destroyed? Yes.
Do I think that because a higher proportion of serial killers and killers in general are men we should ban all men and put them to sleep? Tempting... but no. Do I think because most wars are started by religion we should ban religion? Again tempting but no.

Punish the deed.

Totally agree with everything above, except should we ban men!? Yes!! (j/k) I firmly believe there are attacks by dogs of ALL breeds & that the media pick up on stories involving Rottis/Staffies etc & choose to ignore the ones by other breeds, a paper with Rotti attacks kid will sell much more than Labrador does. There's thousands of Rotts in the UK, how many have ever maimed/killed or even bitten anyone? I bet not many!

All dogs in the wrong hands can be potentially dangerous. I bet if you ask any Vet they're been bitten more by other breeds, my Groomer says her worst was a Chihuahua & the easiest a GSD. Experienced & decent owners will be able to raise a Rotti perfectly ok. And the attack on the kid by two of them happened where I live & they DIDN'T maul her, what happened wasn't at all like the papers made out :rolleyes:

And finally, hospitals I believe are where dog bite stats come from? Apparently it's mostly bites from bigger breeds they see as these inflict more damage, NOT that these breeds bite more at all.

Money_maker

This thread is absolutely terrifying. If I had my neighbours dog at my back door threatening me I would go down every channel I had to, to ensure it did not happen again.

I have a small dd and know I would not be strong enough to protect myself let alone her.

I really do feel for you, op and hope this is sorted out as soon as possible. Living like this is not right.

Incidentally, are there any 'alarms' that one can use to repel a dog if it attacks?

UKTigerlily

Hmm to put it simply, think of a car. NO CAR alone is dangerous. It's the DRIVER that makes it dangerous or not. All cars have the potential to be killers, most have decent drivers, some have louts who make them into killing machines. SOME makes of car are safer than others, Volvo I believe is one. Should we cut out any cars that are in alot of accidents? If say, idk Ford are in the most accidents, do we ban Ford cars? NO course not, cause it's how they're driven! A Rotti is as safe as the Owner allows it to be.

If people learnt to treat dogs with respect, not ride on them, pull their ears & tails, teach them to attack, beat them etc maybe ALL dogs would be safer! Stereotyping Rottis is wrong, just as Stereotyping anything or anyone is. NO btw I don't have & have never had a Rotti, but I do have experience with dogs of all breeds having worked & qualified with them & other animals.

MrsTinks

Money_maker wrote: »

This thread is absolutely terrifying. If I had my neighbours dog at my back door threatening me I would go down every channel I had to, to ensure it did not happen again.

I have a small dd and know I would not be strong enough to protect myself let alone her.

I really do feel for you, op and hope this is sorted out as soon as possible. Living like this is not right.

Incidentally, are there any 'alarms' that one can use to repel a dog if it attacks?

There might be but I wouldn't want to try it out... some dogs can react adversely and actually get more aggressive... I suppose if anything then mace? Can you buy that in this country? (Sorry i genuinely don't know!).

I'm in an interesting situation where I'm not only pregnant, I have a dog aggressive dog (and it's a problem I take VERY seriously and I am paying a lot of money and spending a lot of time trying to fix through a very respected trainer!) and to top it off I live next door to an attack trained GSD - a policedog. So daily I walk past at some point a dog who's dearest wish it is to be able to bite me. And I'm not afraid. Why? Because I KNOW he's under control. Interestingly as a trained police dog he's been desensitised to a lot of noise (obvious one is gun shots) so certain sounds will only make him MORE eager to go for someone.

MrsTinks

UKTigerlily wrote: »

If people learnt to treat dogs with respect, not ride on them, pull their ears & tails, teach them to attack, beat them etc maybe ALL dogs would be safer! Stereotyping Rottis is wrong, just as Stereotyping anything or anyone is. NO btw I don't have & have never had a Rotti, but I do have experience with dogs of all breeds having worked & qualified with them & other animals.

schhhh don't tell anyone but my DH used to ride his aunts rotties and use them as pillows... :rolleyes: Not saying I agree with it but her breeding stud was as dopey as anything. I think he'd only have gotten more relaxed if you'd knocked him out with drugs! Then again I guess that IS the temperament you should be aiming to breed so it explains why he was such a good stud dog.

UKTigerlily

lol I used to ride our dog apparently too, had it until I was almost 7 & he was almost 10, he ran off & never came back, wonder if that was why? lmaoooo

sammy_kaye18

Mrs Tine

I agree with the 'if its within your ability' comment. I adore Rotties but knowing my current housing situation is the only thing to put me off having one - I have a communal garden and am in a small 2 bed flat which is no place for a large breed in my opinion but i know people do it and kudos to them but personally, the lack of space issue would make me feel guily that they didnt have the freedom they need, so not for me.

Also on the grounds of pit bulls being dangerous dogs, again its how they are raised, and this can include all 'fighting' breeds - my sister had an american bulldog and it was bigger, more muscley than a rottie and my sister is 5'4 and weighs about 8 stone. Her dog weighed about 12+ easily. She had him round her young daughter and he was soft as mush, my son adored him, he would curl up next to the kids on the floor whilst they watched tv, never once took food from them unless obviously allowed to (ie a treat etc) and was so gentle - a beautiful, lovely tempered dog. But because some news report worshipper that lived across the street took a dislike to his breed, she had to get rid of her dog as he was deemed a dangerous animal! He had barely even barked in the whole 9 months I had known him and there was no malice there at all.

I do think Rotties get a bad rep because of previous news storys - I mean you never hear about other breeds attacking do you but if its a staff/rottie/pit bull which are mean looking dogs then of course it makes headlines.

There is a man who lives near us who has 3 grown adult pedigree rottweilers, one spaniel and a cross breed thing and he walks them all together at once which believe me scares the **** out of you when you meet them on a country road with no houses for miles. Me, Bf and Ben met them once on a walk and the 3 rotties approached calmly and almost clumsily and were such lovely gentle dogs, there was no sign of malice or evilness from any of them. In fact he warned us that the spaniel was the grumpy one! The guy even said 'dont worry, feel free to let him off the lead, they (the rotties) wont hurt him' and the spaniel stayed at his leg to heal, but knowing my dog is unneutered and there was two girlies about was the only reason i left him on lead. But we walked with them for miles and they were so gentle. My son loved them and we see them most walks now.


Done some research. How many of these made headline news?

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_/ai_n13994481 <<<<this was in Liverpool

http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/1yr_arc_Articles.asp?Article=192791&Sn=BNEW&IssueID=30168&date=9-4-2007 ,,, ok nto this country but still relevant to prove a point

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/2930311.stm <<<<< yorkshire

http://archive.theoxfordtimes.net/1999/2/5/83094.html <<<<<oxford

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6729789.stm

I bet no one unless local heard of any of these incidents but oh if its a staffy or rottie then of course the savages! how dare they! put them to sleep!

orlao

I will admit to a strong bias here as I have a rottie but it does drive me mad that the breed is blamed for everything.....there is no point in saying that all rotts are fantastic, as with every breed there are dogs that are untrained, ill mannered and uncontrolled but who is to blame for that? Dogs are only what their owner makes them!!!

Tigerlily, your analogy with cars is one I've used myself.....cars kill many more children than dogs....so should we ban cars? Or as it is now, punish the drivers? So why not hammer these bad owners with all the law allows....it's not as if the laws aren't in place already.

I spend a lot of time and effort on my dogs, badly behaved animals are not a pleasure to be around IMHO....even if I was prepared to tolerate my dogs being noisy at all hours for instance, why should my neighbours? However I do expect my neighbour, postman, window cleaners etc to treat my property as "off limits" due to the fact that my dogs are loose at the back and they will be bitten ( by the JRTs btw, not the rottie, he lets people IN but not back OUT) if they enter.....you'd be amazed by how many people who will put their hands around or over a locked gate despite a sign and in my neighbours case, a ladder over the fence so he could clear his guttering at the side and then complain because the dogs went mad as he reckoned that since he'd met the dogs while they were out with me that it would be ok to enter my garden while I wasn't there.

My personal opinion is that there are so many people who really don't have a clue about dogs.....they seem to vere wildly from the attitude that they are all cuddly toys to the attitude that they are all killers IYSWIM with very little inbetween so it is very easy for them to become the focus of arguments in neighbourhoods if that makes sense!

What really suprises and horrifies me in this thread is that the authorities won't do anything about a "wandering" dog (off the owners property) as IME if my dogs were loose for more than 5 minutes the police and dog warden would be on my doorstep and rightly so! My own feeling about the dog at the window is while it might be scary, it's not loose or a danger at that point so there is little that can be done unless the council are prepared to look at it as a noise issue.............

MrsE_2

mommyme wrote: »

i've not reported it for biting but they had the police round the other day as it had gone for someone in the park (shouldnt off been on there anyway) every time it jumps our fence i grab my little one and run like mad to get inside it then spends ten minutes trying to get through our door. It was used as a guard dog and i know it thinks its guarding their proprty but i dont want it guarding mine and the rest of the street to! i dont think they can control it and they dont seem to be willing to do anything to help control it

This is when you should be calling the police:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I can't believe the amount of people on here questioning you when it does this:mad: :mad: :mad:

This is NOT on & it should be removed from the owners & they should be prosecuted.

MrsE_2

UKTigerlily wrote: »

Totally agree with everything above, except should we ban men!? Yes!! (j/k) I firmly believe there are attacks by dogs of ALL breeds & that the media pick up on stories involving Rottis/Staffies etc & choose to ignore the ones by other breeds, a paper with Rotti attacks kid will sell much more than Labrador does. There's thousands of Rotts in the UK, how many have ever maimed/killed or even bitten anyone? I bet not many!

All dogs in the wrong hands can be potentially dangerous. I bet if you ask any Vet they're been bitten more by other breeds, my Groomer says her worst was a Chihuahua & the easiest a GSD. Experienced & decent owners will be able to raise a Rotti perfectly ok. And the attack on the kid by two of them happened where I live & they DIDN'T maul her, what happened wasn't at all like the papers made out :rolleyes:

And finally, hospitals I believe are where dog bite stats come from? Apparently it's mostly bites from bigger breeds they see as these inflict more damage, NOT that these breeds bite more at all.

Thing is, if a chihuahua goes mental & decides to "savage" me, I can toss it away, if it does it to a child, I can save it easily.
IF a rottweiler goes mental, I'm screwed:eek:
Thats the difference.

The bit in blue, I don't know what dog attack on a child you are reffering to, but I honestly can't believe I read that, you're not a mother I take it