Should I pay..Civil Enforcement Ltd?

Hadeon

HO87 wrote: »

Given this cheap shot I thought you might like to know that CEL are not based at Horton Flags, nor even in Liverpool. That address is simply a mail drop. There were indications that they operated from an address in central Nottingham but the truth is that CEL are actually based in an otherwise anonymous business centre in Barnet, and the real owner is one Gary Wayne. Mr Wayne has always shunned publicity but the Daily mail caught up with him some years ago - Read Here

Hadeon wrote: »

Past, present & future recipients of junk mail from Civil Enforcement Ltd may wonder about that puzzling 'NW9' postmark on the envelope & be interested to know exactly where the rubbish originates from.

Well here's the address GW doesn't want you to know about & is the nerve-centre of his diverse business empire:-

Unit 3
Colindale Business Centre
126 Colindale Avenue
London
NW9 5HD

Incidentally, this is also the address to which mail is forwarded from the 'Horton House, Liverpool', mail-drop & prior to that from the Nottingham mail-drop addresses.

For clarification,and to the best of my knowledge and belief, GW is still operating from the Colindale address.

HO87

Thanks Hadeon. I had originally put a "business centre in north-west London". Obviously can't tell my NW6's from NW9's. :mad:

Hadeon

HO87 wrote: »

Thanks Hadeon. I had originally put a "business centre in north-west London". Obviously can't tell my NW6's from NW9's. :mad:

No wurries - there's a joke there somewhere but I'd better not

ginginger

I am new to this site. Please help!!! I have just been told today that I have a civil enforcement fine to pay from Newland of £180. for overstaying the one and half hours in a coop car park back in June..
I moved house 2 months ago and the lady at my old address rang and told me of this today.
they have not sent any other letters(none have arrived at old address)
until today..
I rang the number and they said I can appeal.I said I have not had any other information until today so I could not pay the original fee if I never had a ticket!!

They said I have 90 days to appeal from now..Is this another scam??? do I ignore??
I said I had parked there and was prepared to pay overdue fine (not sure I was over time?)

Do I just write prove it?? or ignore??

Am a bit worried

trisontana

ginginger wrote: »

I am new to this site. Please help!!! I have just been told today that I have a civil enforcement fine to pay from Newland of £180. for overstaying the one and half hours in a coop car park back in June..
I moved house 2 months ago and the lady at my old address rang and told me of this today.
they have not sent any other letters(none have arrived at old address)
until today..
I rang the number and they said I can appeal.I said I have not had any other information until today so I could not pay the original fee if I never had a ticket!!

They said I have 90 days to appeal from now..Is this another scam??? do I ignore??
I said I had parked there and was prepared to pay overdue fine (not sure I was over time?)

Do I just write prove it?? or ignore??

Am a bit worried

Yes just ignore. It's not a "civil enforcement fine", it's an invoice from a private company which you don't have to pay.

Driver8

PRIVATE PARKING TICKETS - DON'T PAY!
IT IS NOT A FINE! YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING ILLEGAL!

This is an information page for the thousands of people who receive "tickets" from private companies in the UK ever day at supermarkets, retail parks, and in any other privately-owned carpark.

We are NOT encouraging anybody to openly flout parking restrictions on private land, or to refuse to pay reasonable charges for parking. Landowners have a right to make reasonable charges for the use of their land.

For advice specific to your case, you should visit the forums at http://forums.pepipoo.com or http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/forumdisplay.php?f=163

1. What you should know about these companies

It is important to remember that private parking companies (or PPCs as they are often called) have NO OFFICIAL POWERS - that's right, none at all! They give out their "tickets" on the basis that you have seen the signs in their car park and that you have therefore agreed to a contract obliging you to pay a certain sum of money.


2. What happens to people who don't pay?

In 99.9% of cases, absolutely NOTHING! The company pays the DVLA £2.50 to get your address, and then sends lots of threatening letters. In the main, these letters can be safely IGNORED. The only way the company can actually force you to pay is by taking you to the small claims court, which costs them even more money. And they are by no means guaranteed to win! And they practically never do.

The two main reasons for this (among others) are the following:

- Only the person DRIVING the car could ever have agreed to any such parking contract. The company can only get the Registered Keeper's address from the DVLA: you don't have to tell them who was driving.

-Many of these charges are so extortionately high that they constitute a penalty, which is unenforceable in a consumer contract.


3. Can they affect my credit rating?

NO! The only way your credit rating could be affected by ignoring private parking companies is if you were taken to court, lost, and then still refused to pay. But they will not take you to court.


IN SHORT

The vast majority of the time, you can safely IGNORE tickets from private parking companies, they are not official fines.

The vast majority of the time, you can safely IGNORE the threatening letters, including those from debt collection agencies.

You DO NOT have to pay a penny of your hard-earned money to these companies. Remember that the chances of being taken to court are very slim indeed.

DO NOT IGNORE COURT PAPERS!
If you receive real court papers from a private parking company (very rare) then you should go to http://forums.pepipoo.com or http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences for help defending the claim. Do not be afraid to sign up and ask questions regarding any paperwork you are not sure about.



Don’t believe the above? Watch a solicitor on Watchdog advising you what to do with the scam invoices.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAIcdi9niHA

THEY ARE NOT FINES

Only the Police, Courts or Council’s can fine you. NOT a private company, please remember that.

Oopsadaisy

ignore it all.

bazinblack66

just received my third letter from cel, must admit it put the wind up me a tad|!! was thinking of just paying up & getting rid of them until i came on here, will see it out now. my letter was for Northampton county court which is what really caught my attention. thanks one & all on this forum for the advice.

bazinblack:j

Sirdan

bazinblack66 wrote: »

just received my third letter from cel, must admit it put the wind up me a tad|!! was thinking of just paying up & getting rid of them until i came on here, will see it out now. my letter was for Northampton county court which is what really caught my attention. thanks one & all on this forum for the advice.

bazinblack:j

Hold on !! Exactly what letter do you have and from whom ?

If it is from CEL and mentions Northampton County Court you should be safe to ignore ,but what does it actually say ????

However if it is from Northampton County Court and mentions CEL , it could be a Claim. If it is it will have a Court Stamp on it and you must not ignore that !!!

bazinblack66

the letter is from CEL,attached is the original fine & a claim form which says court use only with a total amout of £425.00 the letter from CEL says i can still pay £265.00 before the 16/11/2011