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Glad
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the previous thread discussing The Mobile Outlet had become very long and a little argumentative in places,

so I've started a new thread for people to discuss their cash back queries etc

the old thread can still be viewed here

please keep it civil :)
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  • grayme-m
    grayme-m Posts: 1,484 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Name Dropper Combo Breaker
    I'll start with a repost of my positive comment from the penultimate post in the closed thread (in case anyone missed it ;):

    Got a cheque today for £72 (no chasing required) following email sent from them a few weeks ago.

    The note with it says:

    Dear Customer,

    We have undertaken the policy of paying successful Cash-Back claims in 5 equal instalments. This will ensure that no mistakes are made in calculating your redemption and you will alo be fully aware of the Cash-Back amount you are due.

    This is worked out by dividing your free line rental by the 5 equal instalments and only applies if your Cash-Back claim is successful.



    Just to show that it doesn't all have to be bad news. :)
    Toyota - 'Always a better way', avoid buying Toyota.
  • maniac886
    maniac886 Posts: 3,599 Forumite
    Does anyone know if there is a current delay with the cashbacks at the moment? Mine was due on 13th Feb but I have had no luck getting in contact with them even though I have e-mailed the forum query team and also PM'd them on this forum.

    Hmmmm
    "He's a maniac, maniac that's for sure,
    He will kill your cat and nail him to the door" :eek:
    Murphys No More Pies Club Member #95
  • maniac886
    maniac886 Posts: 3,599 Forumite
    Wahay! Got my cheque through the post this morning. Thanks MO!
    "He's a maniac, maniac that's for sure,
    He will kill your cat and nail him to the door" :eek:
    Murphys No More Pies Club Member #95
  • grayme-m wrote:
    Got a cheque today for £72 (no chasing required) following email sent from them a few weeks ago.

    Could you indicate just how many weeks "a few weeks ago" was, and how soon/long after receiving your cashback application (I'm assuming you submittted it by some of recorded delivery) it was before you:

    a) Received the email.

    b) Received the cheque.

    The Mobile Outlet's Terms & Conditions state that the latter should be within 28 days. It would be very helpful to other people, in deciding what to do about both a complete silence from TMO and no sign of payment after 28 days (nor the return of their original invoices, despite the inclusion of an SAE, as requested by the company).

    Thank you.
  • maniac886
    maniac886 Posts: 3,599 Forumite
    Cobra wrote:
    Congratulations, Maniac.

    Could you let us know how many days the company took, after receiving your cashback application, to issue the cheque?

    Thanks.

    Total of 32 days
    "He's a maniac, maniac that's for sure,
    He will kill your cat and nail him to the door" :eek:
    Murphys No More Pies Club Member #95
  • .
    Could some very kind person who's been through it all please post on here a step-by-step guide (or a link to a step-by-step guide!) to collecting an outstanding cashback through the Small Claims Court procedure - including enforcement if the company fails to comply with an SCC judgement?

    Also some idea of the timescale of the whole thing?

    This would be very helpful. Some idea of all the costs incurred (which I realise can be recovered, too) would also be very handy.

    The SCC website does not give all this information.

    Thank you!
  • grayme-m
    grayme-m Posts: 1,484 Forumite
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    Cobra wrote:
    Could you indicate just how many weeks "a few weeks ago" was, and how soon/long after receiving your cashback application (I'm assuming you submittted it by some of recorded delivery) it was before you:

    a) Received the email.

    b) Received the cheque.

    The Mobile Outlet's Terms & Conditions state that the latter should be within 28 days. It would be very helpful to other people, in deciding what to do about both a complete silence from TMO and no sign of payment after 28 days (nor the return of their original invoices, despite the inclusion of an SAE, as requested by the company).

    Thank you.

    a) about two weeks

    b) about three weeks after that
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  • Cobra_3
    Cobra_3 Posts: 51 Forumite
    .
    BEFORE buying a 'phone from any online retailer IT IS VITALLY IMPORTANT to READ THE TERMS & CONDITIONS of the contract. These will normally be posted on the retailer's own website. IT IS ESSENTIAL that you understand EXACTLY what will be required of you in order for you to claim your cashbacks successfully: make ONE error at any stage and you will lose the lot.

    In particular, before buying your 'phone, you need to work out in advance the dates upon which you will have to file your cashback claims over the entire year. Take into account things like Christmas (including the delays in the postal system that this causes) and when you are likely to be away on holidays.

    It is better to postpone the purchase of your 'phone by a month than to lose your cashbacks because you hadn't noticed that you would be required to file a claim in the middle of your summer holiday and can't!


    Six points about filing your cashback claims.


    1. The Terms & Conditions which apply to your contract with your retailer are those that were in force on the day you did the deal - these may not necessarily be the same as those that are posted on the retailer's website some months later when you come to submit your cashback claim. It is thus vital to store a copy of those original T&Cs and abide by them.


    2. You need to make a photocopy of (both sides of) your Despatch Note before you send it back with your first claim. Otherwise, if any dispute arises over your claim and you have sent the original back, you're stuffed. It usually has your Terms & Conditions printed on its reverse side, too. (So, why do you think they ask you to send it back? Think about it.)


    3. Use Royal Mail Special Delivery and take out the Consequential Loss Insurance.

    The following was posted on another website but since it was done so by a Royal Mail employee with the intention of helping all those who read it I will take the liberty of quoting it here:

    "Working for a certain mail carrier that I do, I should advise you that if you want to send your claim by Recorded Delivery, it won't cover you for loss, delay, or not being signed for or with "Denial of receipt". Recorded is only put on the database when the item is delivered, not from Addressee to Recipient. Only Special Delivery does that.

    If you want to be absolutely sure, you should post by Special Delivery and in the worse case scenario pay for Consequential loss insurance. That would ensure that if the cash back is £60 you still get back in the region of £54 minus postage, just be 100% Guaranteed of getting your money back if the item doesn't arrive or isn't signed for.

    Hope that makes sense.

    Ps You can get a copy of signature from the https://www.royalmail.com website - See what you made me do? You made me give away who I work for! lol."


    4. Your first cashback claim is worth several hundred pounds to you. Royal Mail Special Delivery covers you for the value of the package up to £500. But, unless you do take out Consequential Loss Insurance, if your cashback claim goes astray, what you will receive from Royal Mail when you make a claim is simply the replacement cost of a dozen sheets of A4 paper - in other words, less than £1.


    5. Special Delivery may cost a (very) little more but that includes the fee for providing you with a copy of who signed for it. If and when you need to obtain this - say for the purposes of a Small Claims Court action - and have used Recorded Delivery, you have to pay for it. This undermines the economics of using Recorded Delivery instead of Special Delivery.


    6. The Mobile Outlet itself has advised you to use Special Delivery. If you ignore this advice and use Recorded instead, they've covered themselves and you're out on a limb.
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  • Step-by-step Guide to Success Claim through Money Claim Online
    1) Make sure you have a legitimate claim for cashback, i.e. you complied with T&C of your cashback at the time you took out your contract (not any subsequent revisions).
    2) You have made reasonable attempts to contact the company requesting cashback. It could be by phone, email, forum message etc, but best of all is by letter as it gives you a record. Also note down the dates of any phone or email requests etc you have made.
    3) If still no cashback, send (by recorded delivery) a Letter Before Action, which simply states that unless you receive your money within certain timescale (make it 10-14 days), you will issue proceedings in the county court for the recovery of your claim without further notice.
    4) If they still don't respond, I'd like to give them a final chance by email (but give them only a few days).
    5) Before you take legal action, check that the company you are suing isn't about to go under (bankruptcy or liquidation). If you hear nothing, go to http://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/ and start making your claim. You (called the claimant) have to create your account and then complete a claim form. You need to know the name and address of the company (the usual trading address will do, rather than that of their registered office). Write down the particulars of what you are claimimg - a brief run-down of events, like when you bought the phone, when you sent in your cashback claim, how much for, and how they failed to respond after repeated requests. You put down the amount you are claiming, and a court fee will be added (which you will get back if you win). You complete your credit or debit card details for the court fees (£30 for a typical cashback claim) and send the claim online, which will be handled by Northampton County Court (a kind of clearing centre for England & Wales).
    6) After checking the details, they will serve your claim on the defendant (the company), and they have 14 days to respond.
    7) When they get the papers from Northampton, the company can do one of several things:
    a) Accept the claim and offer to pay.
    b) Accept only part of the claim.
    c) Reject the whole of the claim - called defending the claim.
    d) Make a counter claim, saying that it's you who owe them money.
    d) Ask for more time (2 more weeks) to respond.
    e) Do nothing.
    8) After 14 days (plus a few days for postal delays etc), you will either receive a letter from Northampton about their response or hear nothing. If the latter, it means they did nothing and you can then ask the court to enter a judgement in default (online). It means the claim stands and they are legally obliged to pay. You then tell them how you want to be paid - full amount now or by instalment. The court will send the papers to the defendant, ordering them to pay.
    If they do defend the claim - partly or wholly or make a counter-claim, the case can no longer be dealt with online and will be transferred to a local court - local to you if you are suing a company. Before they do that, you have to respond to their defence in one of several ways. You drop the case, you modify your claim (perhaps they have made a partial payment in the meantime) or you pursue the claim as it stands. A date will then be set for a hearing at your local county court. You have to turn up on the date and time specified. If they don't turn up, you win by default. If they do, both sides have to argue their case before a district judge (usually privately in his chamber), who will decide. It's most unlikely they (or their lawyer) will turn up, as it will cost them a lot of money and solicitor's fees cannot be claimed from you even if they win.
    9) If the company don't pay within a week or two, get in touch and tell them, in writing, that unless they do you will take enforcement action (i.e. requesting a bailiff to call at their office and ask for payment, and if necessary, seize their property to sell at auction to raise the money). It will cost you ca. £90 in further fees, which will simply be added to your claim.
    10) Once you are satisfied that the full payment has been made including court fees (and interest) and relevant cheques have cleared, you inform the court and the case will be closed.

    For further details, go to the tutorial section of Money Claim website.

    Alec
  • Cobra_3
    Cobra_3 Posts: 51 Forumite
    That's absolutely BRILLIANT, Alec; thank you very much indeed. :beer:
    It's exactly what I spent a week on the old thread, trying to find out! :money:

    Might I just offer just one further snippet of info? "The Mobile Outlet" is (last time I looked) a trading name of the company "Mobile Matters (U.K.) Ltd." based at the same address in Shipley.

    I did read a posting somewhere (can't remember where!) from a guy who had filed a claim to the SCC, and he was warning everybody that it had bounced because he listed the name "The Mobile Outlet" instead of "Mobile Matters (U.K.) Ltd."

    He was saying that he then had to file his claim a second time, in the correct name (and pay a second £30) before he could win his judgement.

    (He got his costs for the second claim but the first £30 he had to write off.)

    Might be best to file claim against "Mobile Matters (U.K.) Ltd. - trading as The Mobile Outlet" do you think?

    Once again, many, many thanks. It's so good to have this on the first page of the new thread where we can all find it and refer back to it whenever we need to, without having to trawl through pages and pages of woe to find it!
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