Advice on Potty training

jamespir

jellyhead wrote: »

but here's a daily mail article lol!

primary school teachers are being expected to deal with growing numbers of nappy-wearing children starting full-time school.
Today, every new reception class of 30 will have more of these youngsters, and in some areas it is almost the norm.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1026958/Absolutely-potty-How-children-wearing-nappies-SCHOOL--dire-risks-health.html#ixzz0NUCLvNXL

i think thats because they insist the children start schoiol when theyve only just turned 4 waht do they expect

jellyhead

I've talked to teachers about it and they think that starting together, the whole year group is better for everyone. They reckon that if the younger ones miss the first term they find it more difficult to fit into school and the already established friendship groups.

I wouldn't want mine to be the only kid to miss a term, but if a third of them were all new kids together that might be okay?

As for nappies I was talking to staff at school last year and they said that in the ten years or so they've been there there were only 2 children in nappies and both had medical reasons. Nappies at 4 seems unusual here.

jellyhead

Floxxie wrote: »

Thank you for your post. It made me feel I wasn't the only parent who is struggling.

I'm carrying out an 'experiment' with my youngest. Unlike the other two he has reusable nappies; I'm interested in seeing if they make a difference to the age he is toilet trained i.e. whether disposables really make a difference or if it is a inbuilt thing in a child as to when they can control their bladder/bowels and stay dry.

A little of both, I think? I've heard that children train earlier in washables, but I don't really think anything I could have done would have trained my boys before they turned 3. They just didn't understand the sensations of needing to go, so a nappy wouldn't have changed that.

The health visitor reckoned that mums are in a hurry to stop washing the washables so they hurry the child on but that doesn't make sense to me because surely the mums using disposables are in a hurry to stop having the expense of paying for them?

fuzzybear01

I have problems with my three year old at the moment. In the house he will use the potty or big toilet without accidents but only if he's naked on his bottom half. The second I put pants/trousers etc on him he will wee in them. He has been like this for about three months and is due to start Nursery in September. Has anyone else had a similar problem? I've tried asking numerous health visitors and the only advice I have had is to wait.

milliebear00001

I am a primary teacher and at the moment there's a whole (and heated) thread on the Times Educational Supplement website about this issue. It was started by a teacher frustrated that in her Reception class in September, there will be four children not potty trained. She has calculated that if she is expected to chamge these four children, she will lose a huge number of time out of the classroom (that obviously means the other children are not benefitting from her time). The responses from teachers have overwhelmingly been that this is unacceptable and down to parental apathy about training their children. It does seem to be a growing trend to delay training (for whatever reason), and this does have a knock on effect in schools. Teachers make extremely expensive potty trainers at the end of the day.

The evidence is that most children are able to be dry by three and a half (in the day) and I'm just not sure why more and more children are entering Reception class in nappies.

bylromarha

jellyhead wrote: »

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1026958/Absolutely-potty-How-children-wearing-nappies-SCHOOL--dire-risks-health.html#ixzz0NUCLvNXL

This article is scary!

Now DD is going to nursery, I'm reconsidering going back into teaching soon. Will be avoiding reception as I want to teach, not clean bottoms of kids that aren't mine! but 7 year olds???!!!!!

I taught a child who had an incontinence issue and the poor boy soon lost friends as he smelt quite frequently, sucked for him peer wise.

jellyhead

fuzzybear01 wrote: »

I have problems with my three year old at the moment. In the house he will use the potty or big toilet without accidents but only if he's naked on his bottom half. The second I put pants/trousers etc on him he will wee in them. He has been like this for about three months and is due to start Nursery in September. Has anyone else had a similar problem? I've tried asking numerous health visitors and the only advice I have had is to wait.

When we talked about this at playgroup one of the leaders said she put loose trousers on her boy but with no pants and that worked for him. She thinks the feeling of pants warm and close to the body made him feel like he still had a nappy on. It was over summer that she did this, and she says that he was trained by the time nursery started in september and was okay to wear pants because he'd got into the habit of using a toilet by then, so even though he could feel the pants he didn't wee in them.

She also advised me to try boxers instead of pants, because they feel looser and less like a nappy. He wears boxers anyhow because his bottom is chubby and pants don't fit.

fuzzybear01

jellyhead wrote: »

When we talked about this at playgroup one of the leaders said she put loose trousers on her boy but with no pants and that worked for him. She thinks the feeling of pants warm and close to the body made him feel like he still had a nappy on. It was over summer that she did this, and she says that he was trained by the time nursery started in september and was okay to wear pants because he'd got into the habit of using a toilet by then, so even though he could feel the pants he didn't wee in them.

She also advised me to try boxers instead of pants, because they feel looser and less like a nappy. He wears boxers anyhow because his bottom is chubby and pants don't fit.

Thank you for replying. We've tried the loose trousers thing, we put him in pyjamas and he went through about 6 pairs I guess we will just have to keep trying!

jellyhead

milliebear00001 wrote: »

The evidence is that most children are able to be dry by three and a half (in the day) and I'm just not sure why more and more children are entering Reception class in nappies.

Does it depend on the nursery? I can't imagine ours not trying to train the children. After the first half term of nursery the staff even said to parents to give them a try without pull-ups and see how it goes. They were adamant that they didn't mind cleaning up accidents, and they persuaded me to send mine in pants when I was thinking of using the pull-ups for another week.

milliebear00001

jellyhead wrote: »

Does it depend on the nursery? I can't imagine ours not trying to train the children. After the first half term of nursery the staff even said to parents to give them a try without pull-ups and see how it goes. They were adamant that they didn't mind cleaning up accidents, and they persuaded me to send mine in pants when I was thinking of using the pull-ups for another week.

Yes, I think it's different for nurseries. I was talking specifically about children not trained by the time they start school. Most nurseries will help with training, and especially private nurseries which deal with very young children and whose parents are often not able to train them themselves as they are at work. State nurseries, school nursery classes and many pre-schools/playgroups will expect children starting at three (first term after their third birthday) to be fully trained bar the odd accident.

Just a point re the not putting pants on a child; while I understand your reasons for doing this, and agree it might work at home, this makes for a nightmarish situation at nursery/school if the child does a poo. Straight out the trouser leg and it goes EVERYWHERE!