Here I go again ….

SAC2334

Rosie1001 said:

Only had one meter.. the horseman one .

 it give day rate , night rate , then a third reading that never changed , then a heat reading so 4 readings altogether 


I can’t figure out the bills either … I’ve been right thru last years … they do a lot of reverse charges and amend on them 

My friend up in Aberdeen was on a very pricey THTC complex meter with SSE ( Ovo ) and managed to find the only supplier who would accept the RTS controlled meter he had when he switched to EDF  . 
Hes now on an EDF tariff called Variable Tariff Heating . Latest bills are charged at high rate -24.564 kwh , low rate - 14.785   Daily Charge is 55.898 p a day .Hes quite happy at those rates 
He got more or less the same letter as you in that he was rolling onto new rates of 25p day 25 p night .They ammended it not too long ago onto the new rates with an acceptable night rate .He has two meters also 

Rosie1001

Scot_39 said:

Ok the estimated reading in Aug / Nov makes it impossible to resolve what was really going on say summer (May to Aug) but if look at May 25th 2024 -> Jan 2025

But they also appear out of sequence - so not really sure what EDF were up to - ah twigged - twin meters of course.

                  25 May->25 Aug  25 Aug->25 Nov     25 Nov->1 Jan

Day           55433C->55758   14.5->17.9              56189E->56971C                                               

                  325.2@30.16       3.37@30.16           781.9@30.16p

Night         11151C->11206E  93106E->95003E  11289E->11407C

                  55@10.54            1896.7@10.54       117.4@10.54p

                   

You will note not only are the intermediate figures for Aug on Nov on that bill out of sequence - they are also not matching on successive bills, so hunted around your old posts for a bit as had seen past photos and bills and so found this, but couldn't quickly see a whole system photo of your old metering.  (Did you post one - not just of the RTS and its cabling in an early post)

I guess the fact one uses Night and the other Off Peak was also a pretty good clue if had spotted it.

However If I go back to the post here - that covers a bill covering the full period 

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81261313/#Comment_81261313

Day                      12C                                                     12C                          

Off Peak               91972C       93106E      950003E       95517C

And the Aug to Nov numbers above are those intermediate numbers on the second meter - so you posted them in the midst of the other meter ?

Curiously the day reading is in line with the RTS meter rate 1 posted on 31st Jan here at 57335, https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81239456/#Comment_81239456

Did both night readings come from the Horstman ?

Taking the customers readings over May - Jan 1st = c221 days 31 wks / 7 months and from both new posts above and the old 31st Jan post

 Day = 56971C - 55433C = 1538 kWh @ 30.16   - or approx 220 per month

 Night1 = 11407C - 11151C = 256 kWh @10.54     - or approx 36 kWh pm  

 Night2 = 95517C - 91972C = 3545 kWh @ 10.54  - or approx 500 kWh pm - weighted heavily to winter months.

 Total                                    = 3801 kWh

So Night1= 36 kWhpm  - c1 kWh per night on night - doesnt appear to be much more than background / lights / FF etc - so assume all the heavy loading either on old day - for things like hot water or on night2. (perhaps even immersion het tank on night 2 - but an electric shower on day1 / night 1 depending on timing)

But sadly without readings for Aug and Nov cannot use to differentiate summer vs winter with heating likely use.

Until those NSH kick in and make snug £+ a day cheaper potentially (7hr max x 2x 3.4 kW x 3.4p/kWh = £1.60 - c£200 over 4 months on high) = its likely nearly as cheap on E7 as it was on E10 Mar - Jul. Even the fix premium is of the same order as the c1.2p multirate price drop I saw in July.

As my other post above - take a few weeks off once you are happy with any Octopus meter update / operation - to your new E7 rates and times - and then use the readings from that to guide a future decision.  

Only had the one horseman meter for my home , two mpans 

Rosie1001

From EDF 

….

Hello Joanne,

I’m sorry to hear that you have decided to change your supplier. I can confirm that your new supplier has contacted us, and the transfer of supply is now in progress. A final bill will be issued once the process is complete.

If you have any further questions or require assistance, please don’t hesitate to contact me. I’ll be happy to help.

Octopus said their will be supplying me by tomorrow… thankfully 😀

vienna28

Rosie1001 said:

Octopus said their will be supplying me by tomorrow… thankfully 😀

Now that you have switched, are you now on E7 timings?

Rosie1001

No I am still on E10 timings 

I just  heard it click over , they said it can take a few days for meter to update 

Rosie1001

Tried to post a photo but it wont let me 

The off  peak  icons on my meter screen , what way is on or off …. The “L “ seems to be on at all times at the min 

im still on E10 timings , and the ALCS is switching heating on etc , but it’s on peak rates for the afternoon and evening slots ,same as what happened with EDF …. Octopus have sent the new signs 
out so hopefully it will correct soon 

The overnight charge is a strange one , as I used to get 5 hours on my E10 but I’m not ,I’m getting 7 hours ..so I really don’t know 

it looks like I have a combination of the two suppliers tariffs 

debitcardmayhem

Look at the Octopus my energy data on the website/app day or week view 

Scot_39

Sounds like they may have done the same as EDF had in April - and not - or not at the same time - yet updated the NSH switch / ALCS timings.

EDF iirc updated the rates and the tariff times - but not the heating control - the ALCS timings.

I would have thought all 3 would have been sent at once - but I'd ask Octopus to confirm they have or will very quickly be doing so - if as it appears - they are mismatched.

There is a post in one of threads re the April 1st - with wording for you to send to EDF regarding them having to also set the "tariff times" to match your ALCS - which had stayed iirc E10 back then too  - but they had froced you onto E7 timings - rates possibly as well as the updated tariff timings.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81382782/#Comment_81382782

This time around the bit at the bottom needs changing - as the ALCS times are still the old EDF E10 times, and need updating to match Octopus's new E7 times so match the tariff timings sent to your meter (the 7 hrs overnight).

It might be in progress - but again - not sure why all necessary rates and timings wouldn't have been done together for any new multirate customer.

debitcardmayhem

debitcardmayhem said:

Look at the Octopus my energy data on the website/app day or week view 

Oops lost the end of the post….
meant to say …. to see how much and at what times they charge you.

Swipe

Scot_39 said:

I would have thought all 3 would have been sent at once - but I'd ask Octopus to confirm they have or will very quickly be doing so - if as it appears - they are mismatched.

In my experience of switches, the ALCS was not touched by default. The tariff price times seemed to get automatically set based on my existing ALCS schedule. My ALCS times and 6 mins offset remained identical with each switch. Even when I was erroneously changed to single rate by EOn Next, my ALCS still kicked in at the same times to switch on my heaters but all 24 hour consumption was only written to the rate 1 register.