PIP was 2nd claim with new conditions but from 15 April 2025 new 3rd claim as advised.

tifo

i've updated the thread title.

peteuk

tifo said:

peteuk said:

tifo said:

For mobility they don't think I'll get any points but I thought I have more chance of mobility points than care but according to them I'm close to a care award by updating my medical record but not near an award for mobility. Whilst my gout and osteoarthritis (OA) affect me they don't think it's in the majority. BUT this is by taking account of severe gout days only and not the moderate or mild days. Much like what the assessor did.

I say I should score (b) 4 points for can move 50 to 200 metres with mild gout/OA or (c) 8 points for can move 20 to 50 metres when moderate gout/OA or (e) 12 points for can move 1 to 20 metres when severe gout. Taking into account OA which is mild at the moment but occasionally moderate I'd realistically think I'd get max 8 points in mobility for gout but 4 points is likely. I don't use an aid, eg walking stick so I  can't ask for 10 points for (d). Saying all this, I want to argue the maximum points I can get.

If your gout/OA is not the majority of the time, you will not score anything.   Your logic is floored, and therefore until you change the way you think you will again come across in assessment as not genuine.   You can either walk 50 - 200 meters, or 20 to 50 meters or 1 to 20 meters the majority of the time, your score doesnt change, nor does your ability to do so in PIP, its the majority of time.  So if you can walk 200 meters for 28 weeks, 50 meters for 12 weeks and 10 meters for 12 weeks, then PIP will say you can walk 200 meters.

Yes, i understand this. What i meant was that the assessor could consider a range of options. So, they may think i can walk 50 to 200 metres the majority of the time then they would award 4 points. I didn't say they could add up the options. Under the circumstances this is reasonable and i'm fully aware that they choose the first option they can to award 0 points, like the standard supermarket walk for 30 mins or the driving license trap.

The answer is no it doesnt work that way, they will only consider one option thats the option you are capable of the majority of the time. 

If you say my hands swell and i need to use an aid to open jars, but they only swell for about 3 months a year, the consideration for use of aids is not taken into account because its not the majority of the time.   If an issue is not the majority of the time then its nil point capable of carrying the activity out unaided tifo said:

tifo said:

The advice is to make a new claim for the previously unreported conditions after seeing my GP (same as what some members say here) ..... So this is what I'll do. PIP claim 3rd time with new conditions.

I've today made a new claim for PIP and this time asked to complete it online, they've sent me a link to the form to complete within a month.

I've only had to do this because i didn't include anxiety and OCD in the PIP form or my GP record and they won't be taken into consideration. So it's to correct a mistake.

This thread and the advice in it will be useful and i'll aim not to make the same mistakes i've made in this last claim. I'm thankful to everyone who posted, regardless of their opinions.

I assume i can't make a new claim and submit an MR for the previous one, not that i think it will make any difference? Might as well take the time loss of 4 months from the previous 2nd claim (December to April) and concentrate efforts on getting a new claim right than spend time on an MR and tribunal i think.

Personally my opinion is that this is too early and nothing will change - so be prepared for Nil point again.   Nothing has changed since your last application other than you may have gone to the doctors due to anxiety and OCD.  You would have undertaken an anxiety score when you undertake a depression score, they go hand in hand.  So it will be easy got your gp or cpn attached to the surgery to look at these and advise if you were anxious, (GAD 7 and PHQ 9) The fact that youve no diagnosis from previous mental health consultations is suggestive that they didn’t feel anxiety was an issue, 

Going to your doctor now with anxiety, isn’t going to prove your anxiety since 20XX.  Equally you need a condition for 3 months and likely to last 9 months for PIP (I know others will say youve have the symptoms now have a diagnosis) but again your tying up a system because you believe you should get PIP and youve just been assessed and found not to be. 

Its clear you dont fully understand or possibly dont want to fully understand the system, your focus is getting those points enough for a successful claim (Which I do understand, your emotionally invested into this) but I would say now, an unsuccessful claim is heading your way, and if not 0 points again I would be very surprised.   I could be wrong, but I am confident I wont be. 

tifo

peteuk said:

I've today made a new claim for PIP and this time asked to complete it online, they've sent me a link to the form to complete within a month.

I've only had to do this because i didn't include anxiety and OCD in the PIP form or my GP record and they won't be taken into consideration. So it's to correct a mistake.

This thread and the advice in it will be useful and i'll aim not to make the same mistakes i've made in this last claim. I'm thankful to everyone who posted, regardless of their opinions.

I assume i can't make a new claim and submit an MR for the previous one, not that i think it will make any difference? Might as well take the time loss of 4 months from the previous 2nd claim (December to April) and concentrate efforts on getting a new claim right than spend time on an MR and tribunal i think.

Personally my opinion is that this is too early and nothing will change - so be prepared for Nil point again.   Nothing has changed since your last application other than you may have gone to the doctors due to anxiety and OCD.  You would have undertaken an anxiety score when you undertake a depression score, they go hand in hand.  So it will be easy got your gp or cpn attached to the surgery to look at these and advise if you were anxious, (GAD 7 and PHQ 9) The fact that youve no diagnosis from previous mental health consultations is suggestive that they didn’t feel anxiety was an issue, 

Going to your doctor now with anxiety, isn’t going to prove your anxiety since 20XX.  Equally you need a condition for 3 months and likely to last 9 months for PIP (I know others will say youve have the symptoms now have a diagnosis) but again your tying up a system because you believe you should get PIP and youve just been assessed and found not to be. 

Its clear you dont fully understand or possibly dont want to fully understand the system, your focus is getting those points enough for a successful claim (Which I do understand, your emotionally invested into this) but I would say now, an unsuccessful claim is heading your way, and if not 0 points again I would be very surprised.   I could be wrong, but I am confident I wont be. 

"my opinion is that this is too early and nothing will change"

I think what will change is that this time i will include anxiety and OCD from the outset and thus it has to be considered in the claim, even if they award 0 points. I can then submit an MR which Shelter will likely help with. The only reason i could not move forward with the (now) previous claim is that i was told i had added new conditions at the assessment which was negatively looked at. By this new claim i am correcting that mistake.

"you would have undertaken an anxiety score when you undertake a depression score, they go hand in hand.  So it will be easy got your gp or cpn attached to the surgery to look at these and advise if you were anxious, (GAD 7 and PHQ 9) The fact that youve no diagnosis from previous mental health consultations is suggestive that they didn’t feel anxiety was an issue".

I'll have to check but I think we were more concerned by the severe eye condition I had at that time and related conditions, i've detailed this in the PIP and WCA threads from 2021. I can't stress how bad it was. I'll ask the GP if they have an anxiety score from that time but the depression score was 5 which the Dr put as moderate. In the following year or so (2019-2020) my depression was worse as i was going through a very bad patch both with my conditions and UC/JC.

"but I would say now, an unsuccessful claim is heading your way, and if not 0 points again I would be very surprised.   I could be wrong, but I am confident I wont be".

I hope not but I will take it to MR and tribunal this time, like I said it was my mistakes with the form and assessment which meant I could not this week and i've taken advice on board and made a new claim.

marcia_

tifo said:

peteuk said:

I've today made a new claim for PIP and this time asked to complete it online, they've sent me a link to the form to complete within a month.

I've only had to do this because i didn't include anxiety and OCD in the PIP form or my GP record and they won't be taken into consideration. So it's to correct a mistake.

This thread and the advice in it will be useful and i'll aim not to make the same mistakes i've made in this last claim. I'm thankful to everyone who posted, regardless of their opinions.

I assume i can't make a new claim and submit an MR for the previous one, not that i think it will make any difference? Might as well take the time loss of 4 months from the previous 2nd claim (December to April) and concentrate efforts on getting a new claim right than spend time on an MR and tribunal i think.

Personally my opinion is that this is too early and nothing will change - so be prepared for Nil point again.   Nothing has changed since your last application other than you may have gone to the doctors due to anxiety and OCD.  You would have undertaken an anxiety score when you undertake a depression score, they go hand in hand.  So it will be easy got your gp or cpn attached to the surgery to look at these and advise if you were anxious, (GAD 7 and PHQ 9) The fact that youve no diagnosis from previous mental health consultations is suggestive that they didn’t feel anxiety was an issue, 

Going to your doctor now with anxiety, isn’t going to prove your anxiety since 20XX.  Equally you need a condition for 3 months and likely to last 9 months for PIP (I know others will say youve have the symptoms now have a diagnosis) but again your tying up a system because you believe you should get PIP and youve just been assessed and found not to be. 

Its clear you dont fully understand or possibly dont want to fully understand the system, your focus is getting those points enough for a successful claim (Which I do understand, your emotionally invested into this) but I would say now, an unsuccessful claim is heading your way, and if not 0 points again I would be very surprised.   I could be wrong, but I am confident I wont be. 

"my opinion is that this is too early and nothing will change"

I think what will change is that this time i will include anxiety and OCD from the outset and thus it has to be considered in the claim, even if they award 0 points. I can then submit an MR which Shelter will likely help with. The only reason i could not move forward with the (now) previous claim is that i was told i had added new conditions at the assessment which was negatively looked at. By this new claim i am correcting that mistake.

"you would have undertaken an anxiety score when you undertake a depression score, they go hand in hand.  So it will be easy got your gp or cpn attached to the surgery to look at these and advise if you were anxious, (GAD 7 and PHQ 9) The fact that youve no diagnosis from previous mental health consultations is suggestive that they didn’t feel anxiety was an issue".

I'll have to check but I think we were more concerned by the severe eye condition I had at that time and related conditions, i've detailed this in the PIP and WCA threads from 2021. I can't stress how bad it was. I'll ask the GP if they have an anxiety score from that time but the depression score was 5 which the Dr put as moderate. In the following year or so (2019-2020) my depression was worse as i was going through a very bad patch both with my conditions and UC/JC.

"but I would say now, an unsuccessful claim is heading your way, and if not 0 points again I would be very surprised.   I could be wrong, but I am confident I wont be".

I hope not but I will take it to MR and tribunal this time, like I said it was my mistakes with the form and assessment which meant I could not this week and i've taken advice on board and made a new claim.

 Sigh, this thread is going on and on and you just want to ignore everything advised 

Spoonie_Turtle

tifo said:

peteuk said:

I've today made a new claim for PIP and this time asked to complete it online, they've sent me a link to the form to complete within a month.

I've only had to do this because i didn't include anxiety and OCD in the PIP form or my GP record and they won't be taken into consideration. So it's to correct a mistake.

This thread and the advice in it will be useful and i'll aim not to make the same mistakes i've made in this last claim. I'm thankful to everyone who posted, regardless of their opinions.

I assume i can't make a new claim and submit an MR for the previous one, not that i think it will make any difference? Might as well take the time loss of 4 months from the previous 2nd claim (December to April) and concentrate efforts on getting a new claim right than spend time on an MR and tribunal i think.

Personally my opinion is that this is too early and nothing will change - so be prepared for Nil point again.   Nothing has changed since your last application other than you may have gone to the doctors due to anxiety and OCD.  You would have undertaken an anxiety score when you undertake a depression score, they go hand in hand.  So it will be easy got your gp or cpn attached to the surgery to look at these and advise if you were anxious, (GAD 7 and PHQ 9) The fact that youve no diagnosis from previous mental health consultations is suggestive that they didn’t feel anxiety was an issue, 

Going to your doctor now with anxiety, isn’t going to prove your anxiety since 20XX.  Equally you need a condition for 3 months and likely to last 9 months for PIP (I know others will say youve have the symptoms now have a diagnosis) but again your tying up a system because you believe you should get PIP and youve just been assessed and found not to be. 

Its clear you dont fully understand or possibly dont want to fully understand the system, your focus is getting those points enough for a successful claim (Which I do understand, your emotionally invested into this) but I would say now, an unsuccessful claim is heading your way, and if not 0 points again I would be very surprised.   I could be wrong, but I am confident I wont be. 

"my opinion is that this is too early and nothing will change"

I think what will change is that this time i will include anxiety and OCD from the outset and thus it has to be considered in the claim, even if they award 0 points. I can then submit an MR which Shelter will likely help with. The only reason i could not move forward with the (now) previous claim is that i was told i had added new conditions at the assessment which was negatively looked at. By this new claim i am correcting that mistake.

No, that wasn't the only problem.

A major problem was that you had no evidence to back up what you were saying.  A recent diagnosis by itself is almost certainly not going to be enough, and that's even if a GP can diagnose OCD - when I was going through it, it had to be a psychiatrist to diagnose, even the psychologist I saw said she didn't have the right type of qualification to make a formal diagnosis.

(Update: yep, you'll have to be referred
In case you haven't already looked into this, and for other people's reference:
https://ocdaction.org.uk/resources/assessment/
https://www.ocduk.org/ocd/diagnosing-ocd/ )

That's why I was so surprised you've started the next claim already.  You also need to have seen health professionals to know for certain that's what it is, and not a symptom of something else. 
Plus, if you've not even tried any treatment or anything before you claim, any award if you do get one is likely to be short because they'll reason that with trying treatments, there's a decent chance you'll find some relief to no longer meet the threshold in say a year/18months' time.

Muttleythefrog

You're ignoring the advice and I cannot comprehend why you think otherwise.... you are setting yourself up to repeat the same mistakes I would suggest. I agree with what others above have said.

peteuk

Can we get this thread closed, its 35 pages long, the OP has contradicted themselves more than once, is obviously either failing to understand or choosing not to understand the advice given and is just going round in circles. 

ayupmeduck

waits for a new thread or an update to this thread with 'I failed again'

Muddy_Walker

Hello

I am still bemused by the fact that Tifo can post pages of arguments yet cannot answer any questions on meeting the descriptors……. And firmly believes that because someone waaaaay back in the claiming process of other benefits possibly suggested PIP ………

MW

Cressida100

OP I don't think any GP is suddenly going to add OCD and anxiety to your medical records. Like the PIP assessor they will listen to you and make their own observations.  

You also talk about going for MR and then tribunal in your next application. You obviously don't have much confidence that this new application will gain you an award.